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Great example here, of know your own stuff. Don’t rely on the SAF as your ‘bible’ for rules and regulations.
Thanks for digging up the notice - I was pretty sure the 4-hour rule was still in play or at least until fairly recently and suspected it might be in a specific leave notice, and appreciate you got your trowel out.As stated many times on the forum, policies can change from year to year. Specific leave periods can be published in notices. For example, in 2019, Thanksgiving leave was published in a notice…by the way…only published about a month before the holiday…(https://www.usna.edu/Commandant/Dir...SHIPMEN-THANKSGIVING-LEAVE-LIBERTY-POLICY.pdf). Notices are lawful orders. The last page references the “4 hour” rule.
Keep in mind the larger picture…MIDN are going to be future officers…don’t want to be that ENS or 2ndLt (or anyone for that matter) cutting leave times close and missing unit movement. Ship underways and deployments don’t change because someone is late. Think of the trust eroded when you are expected to live and exceed standards and to set the personal example, but fail to.
There are many choices you get to make in life and the military, but there are also consequences. You get to decide the risk vs. reward. I know of many officers who would stay aboard ships the night before an early underway to ensure there was no possibility of missing movement.
Outside US leave requires proper clearances per foreign clearance guides. USNA has an instruction on this process, but understand there is vetting. Routing of internal paperwork typically requires the first O6 in the chain of command and going to a restricted area requires the first Flag officer (Superintendent) approval, but understand there are external permissions required, with most requiring a minimum of 30 days lead time to process. In the 2019 Thanksgiving notice, outside continental US leave wasn’t being entertained.
Maybe. Maybe not. The only constant in the military is change. Semper Gumby. Hence the regular advice here that if you do reserve now, book one-way tickets, ideally on Southwest because of their exchange/refund policy.Is it "safe" to assume they have to be back a day before or Sunday?
Mids typically come back a few days before classes start to handle admin, get briefs, etc. “Reform,” or reformation of the Brigade after a leave period, is what you are looking for. That is the day midshipmen are due back by a specific time, unless they are otherwise directed.When do MIDs report back after winter break? The posted (though tentative) Spring calendar shows the term starting on Tuesday, January 10.
Is it "safe" to assume they have to be back a day before or Sunday?
Mids typically come back a few days before classes start to handle admin, get briefs, etc. “Reform,” or reformation of the Brigade after a leave period, is what you are looking for. That is the day midshipmen are due back by a specific time, unless they are otherwise directed.
We’ve got you! We all have as much to learn as you do. The reality is we quickly learn to make plans in pencil. And to be ready and willing to erase and adjust. Semper Gumby is real. For every evolution.Thank you! The parents, especially non-military, have so much to learn...