Moving to Maryland --- gun advice

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USNA_STEM_Prof

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I've looked at the laws and read some threads on other forums. Still, I trust and value the experience here.

Context: When I finish my PhD and start as a USNA professor I'll be moving to Maryland with the family (presently in Northern Virginia). Commutes kill the soul and there's no way I'm trading family time to stay in VA (or move to PA or DE) just to not deal with confusing gun laws. I'll just sell a few if need be (I know, I know, I'm not a real gun guy and hate freedom). That said, all things equal I'd like to take them with me.

I have a couple Glocks, two 1911s, a custom built AR-15, a Sig MPX, and a few shotguns. From reading the laws the following seems to be the case but I'd appreciate a second look:

- Glocks and 1911s: register them with state PD
- Shotguns are fine
- The AR was built in 2011 so I think I'm good since it is pre-2013. 16" barrel and > 29" OAL. Fixed stock.
- The Sig MPX is where I'm uncertain, folding "brace" and all

Happy Sunday SAF.
 
The standard response to this question from gun owners is: don't. I love the state and it's diverse weather, history, and features, but it's a solidly blue state. If you are a progressive you will like the politics. If not, you will be frustrated. With that, I highly recommend joining mdshooters.com. By far one of the best forums I have ever joined.

Good luck with the move. I hope my daughter gets to take one of your classes.
 
In all seriousness...I've been all over the country, normally in 3-4 year stints. MD was one of the least friendly, WRT firearms.

There's a reason the whole state smells like brimstone.
 
I grew up in Dundalk MD and there has been a lawfirm there that specializes in gun permits and licenses. Their online guide is pretty comprehensive or you could give them a call to make sure you don't misinterpret something.

www.dtlawmd.com

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The SCOTUS ruling on NY state case has cleared the board. You can now get a W&C permit (concealed carry) in 30 days. It still requires 16 hours of training, but not a "good and substantial" reason. The G&S reason prevented most, other than businesss owners, citizens from getting a permit. That regime has been eliminated. It's a feeding frenzy in MD right now.
 
I moved ito PA years ago from NJ, and I have enjoyed being a gun owner here for many years. My brother moved to MD in the '80s. What he has to go through is unblievable. Although it has never happened to me, I personally know two people who were pulled over by MD State Police within a few miles of crossing the border on Rt 83. Both have NRA stickers on their rear windows. Coincidence? Possibly. But there have been published stories in the past about this. MD police trying to catch that CCW holder who may have forgotten that they are carrying their snubbie in their front pocket. No excuse for breaking MD laws, but I wouldn't define these people as hardened criminals.

Is there a family member in a normal state that can hold any questionable firearms for you? Being forced to sell something that you legally purchased just seems extremely un-American to me...
 
USNA_STEM_Prof said:
I've looked at the laws and read some threads on other forums. Still, I trust and value the experience here.

Context: When I finish my PhD and start as a USNA professor I'll be moving to Maryland with the family (presently in Northern Virginia). Commutes kill the soul and there's no way I'm trading family time to stay in VA (or move to PA or DE) just to not deal with confusing gun laws. I'll just sell a few if need be (I know, I know, I'm not a real gun guy and hate freedom). That said, all things equal I'd like to take them with me.

I have a couple Glocks, two 1911s, a custom built AR-15, a Sig MPX, and a few shotguns. From reading the laws the following seems to be the case but I'd appreciate a second look:

- Glocks and 1911s: register them with state PD
- Shotguns are fine
- The AR was built in 2011 so I think I'm good since it is pre-2013. 16" barrel and > 29" OAL. Fixed stock.
- The Sig MPX is where I'm uncertain, folding "brace" and all

Happy Sunday SAF.
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Be careful with handgun laws. The Supreme Court Ruling in NY Rifle and Pistol Assn v Bruen said that the six states not currently issuing handgun permits on a "shall Issue" basis were in violation of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments. It "REMANDED" the Case back to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals to write an Opinion based on the COURTS Ruling. As far as I know, nothing has been written in stone (the 2nd District Court has not issued a new opinion) as far as licensing restrictions.
 
A couple thoughts:
1) Never take legal advice from anonymous online Forums
2) While this Forum is supposedly anonymous ...you are anything but. You've posted enough background information about yourself that you shouldn't expect anonymity. Somebody in the know at USNA can figure out who you are, and I don't know how they would react to a guns post.
3) I would always discourage listing numbers and types of guns on any public forum.
4) You should consider taking up boating -I'm sure the bottom of the Chesapeake Bay is full of guns that have fallen overboard :)
5) Certainly not an expert and don't follow developments of the law in other states (I live in a free State that allows me to do pretty much anything I want ...so I don't worry about it much), but I don't think you need to sell off anything if they don't leave your home. Keep them locked up in a good safe, and nobody should bother you. (Of course, I heard about a Servicemember simply transporting through NJ and he was arrested).
 
brewmeist said:
Is there a family member in a normal state that can hold any questionable firearms for you? Being forced to sell something that you legally purchased just seems extremely un-American to me...
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Sadly no. I come from a “unique” background, as does my lovely wife, so are kinda on our with most things.

I hear the others on “don’t move to MD” but the location of Annapolis makes a different state a little daunting. Again, my personal calculus says seeing my family far less just to keep my AR or MPX isn’t worth it.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
A couple thoughts:
1) Never take legal advice from anonymous online Forums
2) While this Forum is supposedly anonymous ...you are anything but. You've posted enough background information about yourself that you shouldn't expect anonymity. Somebody in the know at USNA can figure out who you are, and I don't know how they would react to a guns post.
3) I would always discourage listing numbers and types of guns on any public forum.
4) You should consider taking up boating -I'm sure the bottom of the Chesapeake Bay is full of guns that have fallen overboard :)
5) Certainly not an expert and don't follow developments of the law in other states (I live in a free State that allows me to do pretty much anything I want ...so I don't worry about it much), but I don't think you need to sell off anything if they don't leave your home. Keep them locked up in a good safe, and nobody should bother you. (Of course, I heard about a Servicemember simply transporting through NJ and he was arrested).
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I hear you. Venues like this serve as a means to organize thoughts in some capacities and I know I’m not truly anonymous. I also know I’ll follow all pertinent statutes and such, so I don’t stress my post being viewed negatively, though I truly appreciate the comment.

While a day may come where my broad open-candidness backfires, thus far it’s endeared me to my superiors and subordinates alike. More importantly, it’s just how I am and to “thine own self be true.” And if that day does come, I won’t regret one stumble in an otherwise long line of successes.

All that said, again, I hear you. 😄
 
Stay in NOVA with us. We can't have you turning to the dark side.
 
Impulsive said:
Be careful with handgun laws. The Supreme Court Ruling in NY Rifle and Pistol Assn v Bruen said that the six states not currently issuing handgun permits on a "shall Issue" basis were in violation of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments. It "REMANDED" the Case back to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals to write an Opinion based on the COURTS Ruling. As far as I know, nothing has been written in stone (the 2nd District Court has not issued a new opinion) as far as licensing restrictions.
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Yeah. Unless you are wealthy and/or very patient, good luck getting a hand gun permit in NY. I called and asked about this when we moved to the state and was told it’s a 1-2 year process. They said since I’m military and might not be in the state long there was no point.
The laws, not just in NY but many states, turns PCSing military personnel who own guns into felons.
 
A way to negate the six states that make life miserable for someone who desires to carry a weapon: The LEOSA as Amended provides for HR218 Certification for all Retired, Medically Separated, or Active L/E Officers (including MP's SP's, AFSP's, USCG Petty, Warrant and Commissioned Officers who were authorized to make arrests and carry weapons) providing you Qualify with whatever weapons you want to carry on a Certified Range annually.

The original 2004 LEOSA ONLY provided for "Sworn" Law Enforcement Officers. The Amendments codified the military, Amtrack, and Executive Branch Agencies as being included. See 10 USC section 807.

This means if you can get your agency or branch of service to issue a "Retired Photo Identification" (NOT a DoD ID Card), and you can find a "Certified" range you get a HR218 Card and can carry in all 50 States regardless of their policies.

LEOSA/HR 218 applies to employees of governmental agencies who:

  • Are authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, prosecution of or the incarceration of any person for any violation of law, and has statutory powers of arrest or apprehension under 10 U.S. Code § 807, (article 7(b) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice);
  • Are authorized by the agency to carry a firearm;
  • Are not the subject of any disciplinary action by the agency which could result in suspension or loss of police powers;
  • Meet standards, if any, established by the agency which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use of a firearm;
  • Are not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; and
  • Are not prohibited by federal law from receiving a firearm.
It is not enough to be a QLEO, see the photographic identification & firearms qualification section below.

Photographic Identification & Firearm Qualification​

The individual must carry photographic identification issued by the agency for which he/she is employed or from which the individual separated from service. This identifies the person as being or having been employed as a LEO and indicates that the individual has been tested or otherwise found to meet the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training as established by the agency to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm within 1 year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm:

  • By the agency; or
  • By a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that state or if the state has not established such standards, standards set by any law enforcement agency within that state to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.

10 U.S. Code § 807 - Art. 7. Apprehension​

(a) Apprehension is the taking of a person into custody.
b) Any person authorized under regulations governing the armed forces to apprehend persons subject to this chapter or to trial thereunder may do so upon reasonable belief that an offense has been committed and that the person apprehended committed it.
(c) Commissioned officers, warrant officers, petty officers, and noncommissioned officers have authority to quell quarrels, frays, and disorders among persons subject to this chapter and to apprehend persons subject to this chapter who take part therein.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
A couple thoughts:
1) Never take legal advice from anonymous online Forums
2) While this Forum is supposedly anonymous ...you are anything but. You've posted enough background information about yourself that you shouldn't expect anonymity. Somebody in the know at USNA can figure out who you are, and I don't know how they would react to a guns post.
3) I would always discourage listing numbers and types of guns on any public forum.
4) You should consider taking up boating -I'm sure the bottom of the Chesapeake Bay is full of guns that have fallen overboard :)
5) Certainly not an expert and don't follow developments of the law in other states (I live in a free State that allows me to do pretty much anything I want ...so I don't worry about it much), but I don't think you need to sell off anything if they don't leave your home. Keep them locked up in a good safe, and nobody should bother you. (Of course, I heard about a Servicemember simply transporting through NJ and he was arrested).
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Old Navy, I don't question the truth or wisdom of thought #2, but it is a sad indication of the state of our society when guns can't be discussed at a service academy or by members of the military.
 
UHBlackhawk said:
Yeah. Unless you are wealthy and/or very patient, good luck getting a hand gun permit in NY. I called and asked about this when we moved to the state and was told it’s a 1-2 year process. They said since I’m military and might not be in the state long there was no point.
The laws, not just in NY but many states, turns PCSing military personnel who own guns into felons.
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Just another reason I am moving to Texas. ;-)
 
Many families have jobs that require them to live overseas where they cannot take their firearms... good friends are life savers.
 
bootdad said:
Old Navy, I don't question the truth or wisdom of thought #2, but it is a sad indication of the state of our society when guns can't be discussed at a service academy or by members of the military.
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> I agree....
CatDog99 said:
Many families have jobs that require them to live overseas where they cannot take their firearms... good friends are life savers.
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I'd be more than happy to babysit the 1911's and AR for OP, and provide generous visitation rights (here in the Free Midwest area!). Really don't have the room (or the need) in the safe for more shotguns , and well, I'm not sure the others would get along with the tupperware guns (Glocks).:)
 
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