Discussion in 'Military Academy - USMA' started by MCCD, Jan 27, 2014.
What are the chances of earning an appointment from the national waiting list?
Not very good
I would not get discouraged yet. I received an appointment to USNA and USMA and decided to go Navy. I will be turning down my appointment so there will be a extra spot open. I'm sure there are many others in the same position. Good luck.
Depends on what you mean by NWL. All fully qualified candidates with a nomination go onto the NWL initially until appointed or sent the TWE (Qualified Non Select). The initial fully qualified letter states that NWL status. The appointments going out now are just a small group - most of the district vacancies, presidential and services connect vacancies aren't awarded yet, so most individuals are there on the NWL. Think 350 appointments sent out of the 1400 that will likely go out from the total of likely fully qualified w/ nom population of 2500. So right now that is 1150 more appointments from a pool of potentially 2150 (better than 50% odds).
The other NWL at large group is more competitive - that is 150 top individuals with a MOC nomination that don't win a vacancy otherwise from above. That is out of the like 1300ish individuals on the NWL that don't receive an offer from a nomination slate. That comes down to a little better than a 10% chance.
Do they also split the NWL into groups of female and male packets? My FFR mentioned something about that, but he said it in an ideal scenario situation, so I was a bit confused as to if the admissions board actually does that. If they do split based on gender, then that should be an advantage to women applying because USMA is trying to up the amount of women by almost double previous class numbers this year. So it really comes down to not only the strength of your packet, but how the admissions board groups the NWL.
Not directly, as
10 U.S. Code § 4342 - Cadets: appointment; numbers, territorial distribution
(5) 150 selected by the Secretary of the Army in order of merit (prescribed pursuant to section 4343 of this title) from qualified alternates nominated by persons named in paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection (a).
The OML is supposed to be based on WCS. My guess is that the admissions office will shuffle candidates to make room in the NWL to appoint candidates they really want and are qualified.
I don't think they are trying to double the women numbers in one year. The SUPE has set a goal of 20% (I think) going up to 25% in the near future. I think there were @380 women fully qualified and @188 showed up for R Day (49% appointment rate). The 2017 class totaled 1193, so women were @16% of the class which falls between the 15-17% of previous classes. (This year there are over 15% more women that are in the application cycle. RC thinks it's because women see that all jobs will be open to woman. Even if they don't want to be infantry officers, they want the ability to be one if desired. Do women get a break over men ? I would say yes (just as athletes and minorities do). My personal opinion.
This makes sense, I was hoping that they might divide the packets by gender because it would help in my case (female), but it makes sense that they don't. As for the percentage increase this year, for some reason I had 11% in my mind for the average number of female cadets and I knew that they were trying to get it up to 20% this year. Thus my thoughts that they would nearly double the female class size.
I am confused. Are you saying there are 2 NWLs? The numbers don't add up, either.
My understanding is; the initial NWL starts with around 2500 fully qualified with noms, it would be 2150 after the first wave. and the 1150 appointees would come off the NWL, then the NWL would be 1100 left. So Top 150 would be selected out of last 1100 NWL, which means the chance would be around 13.6%. Where did 1300ish come from?
Or like the OP said, there are 2 NWLs: one consisting 2500 students and second group consisting 1300 students who didn't win the MOC vacancies, competing for the top 150 spots.
It is a puzzle alright! hmm..
This post goes back to 2014. 845something was with West Point Admissions so his posts about admissions and the NWL were coming from the "inside". We were very fortunate to have him contribute to the WP forum but unfortunately we don't see a lot of him these days.
They also include those with a Presidential nomination that did not make it to the first 100 appointments.
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