National Waiting List?

professorm804 said:
Hey all, I just got a letter stating that I was qualified Academically, Physically and Medically and that I was further placed on the national waiting list. According to some of my research, it seems that the NWL is just 200 or so CC's that West Point wants but didn't win their principal nomination. I have a few questions regarding the NWL:

1. What exactly is NWL and how will I know whether I am still competitive?

2. I heard early in the process that me getting an LOE will effect my NWL somehow. Is this true, and if so how will it effect my NWL?

3. Does everyone get placed on the NWL?

Thanks all!
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Hi so I’ve been recently placed on the NWL right after being 3Q’d, and I’m in a very competitive district in the northeast. That being said I have a 1510 SAT score and a 97 overall average with all honors and AP courses for all 3 years of HS. I have pretty solid extracurriculars and have lettered in football for 2 years with a lot of volunteer work and some leadership positions. As someone who got in off the NWL, do you think I have a realistic shot to be appointed? Appreciate any feedback you can give
 
txfwindian said:
DD qualified 3Q today and placed on NWL and has PNOM. Based on what I have read here is if a candidate is 3Q+PNOM, the chances of appointment rises significantly. Is that understanding correct?
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Yep
 
Ramsrule said:
Hi so I’ve been recently placed on the NWL right after being 3Q’d, and I’m in a very competitive district in the northeast. That being said I have a 1510 SAT score and a 97 overall average with all honors and AP courses for all 3 years of HS. I have pretty solid extracurriculars and have lettered in football for 2 years with a lot of volunteer work and some leadership positions. As someone who got in off the NWL, do you think I have a realistic shot to be appointed? Appreciate any feedback you can give
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Do you have a nom??
 
Ramsrule said:
Yes, I received one from my congresswoman right before I was placed on the NWL.
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Well for what it's worth DS had similar stats to yours and we are from NJ which is fairly competitive, but ultimately it comes down to who you are competing against.
 
JCSDVM1 said:
Well for what it's worth DS had similar stats to yours and we are from NJ which is fairly competitive, but ultimately it comes down to who you are competing against.
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And your DS was accepted off the NWL? Really appreciate your responses sir.
 
DD had a PNOM last cycle, she still got letter that she was placed in NWL.

So no concrete evidence of what happens and why.
 
Ramsrule said:
Hi so I’ve been recently placed on the NWL right after being 3Q’d, and I’m in a very competitive district in the northeast. That being said I have a 1510 SAT score and a 97 overall average with all honors and AP courses for all 3 years of HS. I have pretty solid extracurriculars and have lettered in football for 2 years with a lot of volunteer work and some leadership positions. As someone who got in off the NWL, do you think I have a realistic shot to be appointed? Appreciate any feedback you can give
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Assuming your district MOC is your only source of nomination, you have three possibilities for appointment:
  1. Winning the slate - unless your RC has told you that another candidate has been offered and accepted an appointment as the slate winner, this is still a possibility. January is too early to assume that a slate winner has been determined, especially in a competitive district.
  2. Qualified Alternate - 150 qualified candidates who did not win a district MOC or senatorial slate will be offered appointments in Order of Merit by WCS score. There is no way to really know what your chances are without knowing the range of WCS scores of all qualified district/senatorial non-slate winners. Also, the list for these appointments is not sequential by all candidates; it does not include VP, Presidential, and other nominees. Also, many slate winners will have lower WCS scores than some non-slate winners.
  3. Additional Appointee - about 200 - 400 will be offered appointments and may be out of Order of Merit. Your stats may have little bearing in this category, but your identify could be the deciding factor.
 
DD got notified today she's placed on NWL. Had received a LOE in September and has two nominations on file.
 
jl123 said:
Assuming your district MOC is your only source of nomination, you have three possibilities for appointment:
  1. Winning the slate - unless your RC has told you that another candidate has been offered and accepted an appointment as the slate winner, this is still a possibility. January is too early to assume that a slate winner has been determined, especially in a competitive district.
  2. Qualified Alternate - 150 qualified candidates who did not win a district MOC or senatorial slate will be offered appointments in Order of Merit by WCS score. There is no way to really know what your chances are without knowing the range of WCS scores of all qualified district/senatorial non-slate winners. Also, the list for these appointments is not sequential by all candidates; it does not include VP, Presidential, and other nominees. Also, many slate winners will have lower WCS scores than some non-slate winners.
  3. Additional Appointee - about 200 - 400 will be offered appointments and may be out of Order of Merit. Your stats may have little bearing in this category, but your identify could be the deciding factor.
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When are slate winners typically determined? I thought being placed on the NWL is what they do with the qualified alternates and not the slate winners.
 
camomof4 said:
DD got notified today she's placed on NWL. Had received a LOE in September and has two nominations on file.
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Yeah I’m in the same situation. I received my LOE in September, medical waiver in November, and nomination this week and was just put on the NWL.
 
Ramsrule said:
When are slate winners typically determined? I thought being placed on the NWL is what they do with the qualified alternates and not the slate winners.
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Slate winners are determined when the winner is clear. This will vary by district, the competition in any given year, and the other possible sources of nomination/appointment for the candidates on the slate. Also, it is possible that later in the process the appointment will be charged to another category in order to mold the class admissions wants.

The RC can see the status of applications in the pipeline and potential applications. Admissions is not going to determine a slate winner if there is a possibility that a stronger candidate would win once the application is completed.

In mid-January the application window has not even closed, so if two or more candidates are close and all applications are not complete, admissions will wait until a clear winner can be determined. However, if one or more of the candidates in question are 3Q and admissions determines that these candidates will be offered appointments whether or not they win the slate, admissions may make the offers and resolve the slate when the rest of the applications are complete.
 
There is a wonderful thread on the NWL in this USMA forum. The NWL is EXACTLY where you want to be right now. It is the list of applicants from whom appointees will be selected. Now you wait. Keep faith. (it is not a 'waiting list' like other colleges--in which you are not accepted and have to wait for someone to drop out--this is not that at all, it is the reverse it is the pool of people who are more likely than not to get accepted. Further, it would be beneficial and less confusing if USMA would change the term; however, the language is enshrined in Congressional doctrine so unlikely to change...so we must accept that really, the NWL is the place to be at this point in the year.) Soon appointments will be rolling out in a big way--and then they will trickle off by 1 May. You are here for the long game. Brace yourself and keep faith.
 
I received a letter about 2 months ago that I was 3Q. They briefly mentioned that candidates in the NWL could be appointed in late May, but was not clear to say I was on NWL. How do you determine you are directly on the NWL or not?
 
If you are 3Q with a congressional or senatorial nomination and are not your slate's principal nominee, then you are on the NWL.
 
jl123 said:
Slate winners are determined when the winner is clear. This will vary by district, the competition in any given year, and the other possible sources of nomination/appointment for the candidates on the slate. Also, it is possible that later in the process the appointment will be charged to another category in order to mold the class admissions wants.

The RC can see the status of applications in the pipeline and potential applications. Admissions is not going to determine a slate winner if there is a possibility that a stronger candidate would win once the application is completed.

In mid-January the application window has not even closed, so if two or more candidates are close and all applications are not complete, admissions will wait until a clear winner can be determined. However, if one or more of the candidates in question are 3Q and admissions determines that these candidates will be offered appointments whether or not they win the slate, admissions may make the offers and resolve the slate when the rest of the applications are complete.
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Thank you for your information, I’m from a very competitive district on Long Island so when I saw that I was placed on the NWL, I immediately thought I did not win the slate. Really appreciate your responses.
 
Ramsrule said:
They tell you exactly if you’ve been placed on the NWL. What did they send you in your 3Q letter?
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I am current 2Q, and just received a medical waiver. So I expect a 3Q letter shortly. Will the 3Q letter contain information regarding where I am placed?
 
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