Navy Football Strikes Again

I maintain that my beloved USNA turns out the finest scoundrels that the service academies can produce and I give you my personal champion: Rep. Charlie Wilson of the great state of Texas. Not only did he snort cocaine in a hot tub of Las Vegas showgirls but he beat the Russians AND got a book written about him as well as a movie with him played by non-other than Tom Hanks. Come on, Air Force. Come on, WP.....top that.
 
Maplerock said:
I don't know Scout Pilot and I mean no ill will. In fact I thank and appreciate the service to our country. I also respect and congratulate for graduating from one of the premier and finest institutions in our country.

But... It seems that for whatever reason that there is an axe to grind. With google all one has to do to find instances of misconduct in any academy is type in a search line. We can always find examples of negative behaviors. anyone can quickly find them. I found one from this summer starring two USMA athletes. I am sure it is an isolated incident. To indict the entire program for their actions would be ludicrous.

In my opinion the entire post served no practical reason other than to demean USNA, perhaps for their decade of dominance for the Commander in Chief's Trophy.
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the emperor has no clothes . . .

Why don't we just ignore all the "isolated" incidents that are associated with SAs and just pretend SAs are perfect.

Any "isolated" incidents are exceptions, no reason to review any SAs do any their admissions and athletic recruitment process are perfect. No need to change anything.

A serious mistake SAs can make is to accept status quo (i.e. increase in number of the applicants, increased test scores, increase graduation rates) and not seek any improvement.

I can't speak for the motive of Scoutpilot, but I don't care as this is a free forum. Some of us serve in the military so everyone can exercise equal rights, not just the folks that think like us.
 
Failing to jump to a conclusion that this story indicates that Navy's football program (or USNA as a whole) is "BAD" is not the same as ignoring the story.

As far as association with USNA, this story is also "associated" with Naval Aviator training. And with ENS Hill's high school. And so on.

The association with USNA (and the much more tenuous association with Navy football) makes it more media "friendly," providing attention-grabbing headlines and details for a story that would otherwise show up only on the police blotter.
 
DHinNH said:
The association with USNA (and the much more tenuous association with Navy football) makes it more media "friendly," providing attention-grabbing headlines and details for a story that would otherwise show up only on the police blotter.
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Right.... well that's kind of how it works. The good, and the bad. You think people REALLY turn in for the Army Navy Game because of the quality "football"? Hint: It's not good football.

They turn in because of the story they're told they should appreciate.

Sometimes that association, the bad apples ALSO bring the institution down.

My classmate was court-martialed. It made the Coast Guard Academy look bad. It SHOULD have made the Coast Guard Academy look bad.

Cadets and midshipmen don't get to request spotlights for only good things that happen. That spotlights catch the bad too.
 
Funny how the USAFA forum currently has a thread called "USAFA Produces Winners" which extols the virtues of Dr. Somebody who is a USAFA grad and a college president. If you think this guy's actions at The Happiest Place on Earth are unconnected to USNA then you'd best be over there telling them USAFA has nothing to do with the good doctor's success.
 
DHinNH said:
Failing to jump to a conclusion that this story indicates that Navy's football program (or USNA as a whole) is "BAD" is not the same as ignoring the story.

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Borrowing from a Navy grad, how many incidents will be enough to draw a conclusion that Navy's football program is "BAD"?
 
MemberLG said:
Borrowing from a Navy grad, how many incidents will be enough to draw a conclusion that Navy's football program is "BAD"?
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I need number of incidents of non-football Navy grads for comparison.
 
For the vast majority of the public football players are the only MIDS/CADETS they're exposed to. Sure during the A/N game they show long shots of the assembled screaming masses and maybe show a bit of them in formation, but the only "up close and personal" spots are of the FB players. Mostly highlighting what exemplary young men they are, how tough their schedules are, how difficult it is to be at a SA and still play FB, what great leaders they'll become. (For the most part - all true.) But that makes those young men the face of the academies for 99% of the public. So a tie to (in this case a not at all unusual) screw up does make news.
 
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