New "Multi-Cam" Uniforms

ZAPHOD:

How the H**l did you ever get an index finger in the receiver. "Heel of the Palm on the Bolt Retractor and thumb on the spring". You had your fingers where they shouldn't have been.:shake: As many times as you thought you did it right you always got pinched and never showed the inspecting officer the blood.
 
AF6872 said:
ZAPHOD:

How the H**l did you ever get an index finger in the receiver. "Heel of the Palm on the Bolt Retractor and thumb on the spring". You had your fingers where they shouldn't have been.:shake:
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Well, you see.....

I didn't know how the release worked, and I was fiddling with the action and pushed down on the thigamajig when.....

SNAP! :unhappy:

I posted a picture of it here somewhere....... It was right before my wedding, so it's in all the photos of the wedding band. :yllol::redface:

flieger83 said:
Hence my comment re:"It'll only happen ONCE..."

Steve
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OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH, yeah! ONCE!

I use a 10' pole now. :shake:
 
I still shuttler thinking about how many cut up thumbs and bruised thumbnails I had because of that M-1. :eek:
 
You'd think I would have learned about M-1 Thumb at USNA. After all, I carried one of those damned things for four years. Never had a problem.

Oh, well. A weapon or a blade isn't really yours until it bites you. :thumb:
 
Glad to hear that someone else here appreciates the Swiss K31. My favorite rifle to shoot and accurate as anything.

I wish the military would just get off of the 5.56 round. Sure it works in the Middle East, but if the US gets in a war with a well equipped foe (ie: body armor) the 5.56 will just bounce off of the enemy. Of course, all NATO countries are stuck shooting this so I guess it won't change. As for a new battle rifle? I personally think that the Israeli TAR 21 would be leaps and bounds over the M4.
 
Stormtrooper30 said:
I personally think that the Israeli TAR 21 would be leaps and bounds over the M4.
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lol. How bout the HK416? looks like the M4 but i more reliable when the going gets tough with a short-piston stroke piston vs. the M4's direct impingement :thumb:
 
Stormtrooper30 said:
Sure it works in the Middle East, but if the US gets in a war with a well equipped foe (ie: body armor) the 5.56 will just bounce off of the enemy.
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Ceramic armor plates like the ones in our IOTV stop a 7.62 round as well.

The 5.56 has served our military well for the past 40 years, and I don't really see our rifle ammunition changing anytime soon. I can't see a movement away from the m4/m16 platform anytime soon either, especially in the middle of two wars.
 
Bullpups are short, but they have a lot of issues with left handed users.

Both the TAR-21 and HK416 use the same 5.56 as the M4/M16. The ballistics won't improve very much...
 
raimius said:
Both the TAR-21 and HK416 use the same 5.56 as the M4/M16. The ballistics won't improve very much...
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Yea, my pick was based on the fact that the military doesn';t like change and would most likely keep the same calibre. A cheap way to replace the M4 is to use the Barrett REC7 which is basically just a receiver change to 6.8 instead of 5.56.

I don't know... I feel like the 5.56 round is inneffective compared to others.

Bullpup weapons are more useful in an urban environment where a soldier could be fighting out in the open or indoors at any one time.
 
Awesome! I always hated the ACUs because I agreed that trying to apply one kind of camouflage to multiple terrains sounded impractical and ridiculous. They don't even look that great anyway :rolleyes: I hope this change is extended to the rest of the military and not just those in Afghanistan..
 
I'm gonna try to stay in my lane here, being that a lot of what I know about rifles is not firsthand experience. The army could change the M-4 out with a new rifle in a perfect world; however, politics play into this. The Army recently obtained the right to make the M-4 from Colt, I think. The 5.56 round is not as effective as the 6.8 or the 7.62, but the sheer logisitics of preparing the army for a change in rounds that would be required is mind boggling. This is especially true with today's procurement system, which is extremely political (Examples: the new Army plate carrier, the next generation Air Force tanker,the F-35, the Army's Future Combat System). If the troops are really asking for a replacement for the M-4, then a couple of MOC's should get behind the push for a new, better rifle.

Oh, and the military can change what the main battle rifle is even though we are at war. The M-14 switch over to the M-16 happened in 1969, right in the middle of the Vietnam War. That change involved a switch in the caliber of round as well, I believe.

On the original topic of the thread: multicam uniforms.
Enough guys who have been there and done that have said time and time again that multicam is a better pattern in MOST environments. There have been a couple of tests that have also confirmed these findings. Again, politics play into the decision. Multicam isn't army wide as of yet-- its only for those units who are deploying to Afghanistan. The troops headed to Afghanistan wouldn't have gotten multicam if it wasn't for Jack Murtha pressuring the powers that be.

Maybe the ACU will go full multicam, but this is highly unlikely. (If this does happen, look for Caleb Crye to become a very rich man from royalty payments from the Army) A more realistic outcome is that the Army will keep both the UCP and Multicam in the system, like how there was the BDU and DCU. The troops would be issued the proper uniform depending on the environment that they would be operating in.

Mission dictates what gear should be used; there's not a one size fits all solution.
 
Zaphod said:
Hell, if we're going to be dreaming, bring back the M14 as a MBR and the 1911 as the standard sidearm. :biggrin:
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Well for those really interested- the Army is bringing back the M14 as a squad level individual heavy weapon-
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/03/army_m14_032210w/

the rationale behind this can be found in this document (this takes you to an abstract then click on the link) if you are really into the Infantry and small arms issues
http://defensetech.org/2010/03/01/taking-back-the-infantry-half-kilometer/
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Great articles, thanks for posting bruno.
 
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For a single pattern, it really is awesome, isn't it? :shake:
 
bruno said:
Well for those really interested- the Army is bringing back the M14 as a squad level individual heavy weapon
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This has been happening since 2001 when it became painfully obvious that the M4 wasn't reaching out and touching the bad guys as well as hoped at the ranges being engaged over. They started pulling M14's out of reserve armories and even buying them back from police stations. Places like Smith Enterprises were working overtime getting the weapons up to current specs and sending them out.

At first, it was mostly the SPECOPS types, but then it quickly ballooned. It's good to see them making it permanent. It will always have a place in an infantry squad.

AWESOME weapon! :thumb:
 
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