Next appointment rush?

[rdhdstpchld]

Congratulations! I didn't take the photo but we are considering that as well - maybe see you there!

 

[USMA 1994]

There are numerous other post about this but here is admissions at the 10,000 ft view.

Basically there are three major categories for nominations and appointments:
1. Congressional & VP: about 650 Openings, 1 per MOC plus about 20% as every 5th year they will have two slots. MOC can nominate a principal nominee with ranked alternates, principal with un-ranked alternates or a competitive slate with up to 10 for each opening.
2. Presidential: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but candidates must have career service parents.
2. Service Connected: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but cover Active Service, reserves, AROTC and JAROTC
Note: Anyone applicant that is 3Q with a nomination that does not win one of the above openings is placed in the National Pool or National Waiting List

After these 850 are done, the next 150 from the NWL are offered based on Order of Merit. Must be 2/3 Congressional nominations to 1/3 Service Connected nominations. These are called Qualified Alternates"
Finally, the class is filled with "Additional Appointees" to complete the class. These also come from the National Pool but are typically athletes, diversity candidates, prepsters, foundation scholars or other extremely desirable individuals who did not not get a spot with the above categories.

There are a small number of additional spots but those are really exceptions and have no real impact on 99.9% of the applicants.

There is not a set schedule as to when each category is resolved and they do not necessarily go in order; all of it goes more in parallel. It is safe to assume that slates that have clear winners where no medical waivers are required are resolved quicker than a highly competitive slate where two or three individuals may be very close and the medical authority is reviewing waivers.


It is impossible to look at any of the released data and make generally assumptions about the status of your individual application.

 

[Stork103]

There are numerous other post about this but here is admissions at the 10,000 ft view.

Basically there are three major categories for nominations and appointments:
1. Congressional & VP: about 650 Openings, 1 per MOC plus about 20% as every 5th year they will have two slots. MOC can nominate a principal nominee with ranked alternates, principal with un-ranked alternates or a competitive slate with up to 10 for each opening.
2. Presidential: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but candidates must have career service parents.
2. Service Connected: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but cover Active Service, reserves, AROTC and JAROTC
Note: Anyone applicant that is 3Q with a nomination that does not win one of the above openings is placed in the National Pool or National Waiting List

After these 850 are done, the next 150 from the NWL are offered based on Order of Merit. Must be 2/3 Congressional nominations to 1/3 Service Connected nominations. These are called Qualified Alternates"
Finally, the class is filled with "Additional Appointees" to complete the class. These also come from the National Pool but are typically athletes, diversity candidates, prepsters, foundation scholars or other extremely desirable individuals who did not not get a spot with the above categories.

There are a small number of additional spots but those are really exceptions and have no real impact on 99.9% of the applicants.

There is not a set schedule as to when each category is resolved and they do not necessarily go in order; all of it goes more in parallel. It is safe to assume that slates that have clear winners where no medical waivers are required are resolved quicker than a highly competitive slate where two or three individuals may be very close and the medical authority is reviewing waivers.


It is impossible to look at any of the released data and make generally assumptions about the status of your individual application.

USMA, wouldn’t the NWL resolve after all the competitive slates are determined, rather than in parallel? Feels like it wouldn’t be fair to start appointing from the pool until you know who exactly is going to be in it, which you wouldn’t know until the slates are resolved.

 

[Joeman]

There are numerous other post about this but here is admissions at the 10,000 ft view.

Basically there are three major categories for nominations and appointments:
1. Congressional & VP: about 650 Openings, 1 per MOC plus about 20% as every 5th year they will have two slots. MOC can nominate a principal nominee with ranked alternates, principal with un-ranked alternates or a competitive slate with up to 10 for each opening.
2. Presidential: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but candidates must have career service parents.
2. Service Connected: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but cover Active Service, reserves, AROTC and JAROTC
Note: Anyone applicant that is 3Q with a nomination that does not win one of the above openings is placed in the National Pool or National Waiting List

After these 850 are done, the next 150 from the NWL are offered based on Order of Merit. Must be 2/3 Congressional nominations to 1/3 Service Connected nominations. These are called Qualified Alternates"
Finally, the class is filled with "Additional Appointees" to complete the class. These also come from the National Pool but are typically athletes, diversity candidates, prepsters, foundation scholars or other extremely desirable individuals who did not not get a spot with the above categories.

There are a small number of additional spots but those are really exceptions and have no real impact on 99.9% of the applicants.

There is not a set schedule as to when each category is resolved and they do not necessarily go in order; all of it goes more in parallel. It is safe to assume that slates that have clear winners where no medical waivers are required are resolved quicker than a highly competitive slate where two or three individuals may be very close and the medical authority is reviewing waivers.


It is impossible to look at any of the released data and make generally assumptions about the status of your individual application.

This should be put in bold and pasted at the top of this forum

 

[rdhdstpchld]

There are numerous other post about this but here is admissions at the 10,000 ft view.

Basically there are three major categories for nominations and appointments:
1. Congressional & VP: about 650 Openings, 1 per MOC plus about 20% as every 5th year they will have two slots. MOC can nominate a principal nominee with ranked alternates, principal with un-ranked alternates or a competitive slate with up to 10 for each opening.
2. Presidential: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but candidates must have career service parents.
2. Service Connected: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but cover Active Service, reserves, AROTC and JAROTC
Note: Anyone applicant that is 3Q with a nomination that does not win one of the above openings is placed in the National Pool or National Waiting List

After these 850 are done, the next 150 from the NWL are offered based on Order of Merit. Must be 2/3 Congressional nominations to 1/3 Service Connected nominations. These are called Qualified Alternates"
Finally, the class is filled with "Additional Appointees" to complete the class. These also come from the National Pool but are typically athletes, diversity candidates, prepsters, foundation scholars or other extremely desirable individuals who did not not get a spot with the above categories.

There are a small number of additional spots but those are really exceptions and have no real impact on 99.9% of the applicants.

There is not a set schedule as to when each category is resolved and they do not necessarily go in order; all of it goes more in parallel. It is safe to assume that slates that have clear winners where no medical waivers are required are resolved quicker than a highly competitive slate where two or three individuals may be very close and the medical authority is reviewing waivers.


It is impossible to look at any of the released data and make generally assumptions about the status of your individual application.

This should be put in bold and pasted at the top of this forum

AGREE! This is so well written -thanks for taking the time.

 

[USMA 1994]

There are numerous other post about this but here is admissions at the 10,000 ft view.

Basically there are three major categories for nominations and appointments:
1. Congressional & VP: about 650 Openings, 1 per MOC plus about 20% as every 5th year they will have two slots. MOC can nominate a principal nominee with ranked alternates, principal with un-ranked alternates or a competitive slate with up to 10 for each opening.
2. Presidential: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but candidates must have career service parents.
2. Service Connected: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but cover Active Service, reserves, AROTC and JAROTC
Note: Anyone applicant that is 3Q with a nomination that does not win one of the above openings is placed in the National Pool or National Waiting List

After these 850 are done, the next 150 from the NWL are offered based on Order of Merit. Must be 2/3 Congressional nominations to 1/3 Service Connected nominations. These are called Qualified Alternates"
Finally, the class is filled with "Additional Appointees" to complete the class. These also come from the National Pool but are typically athletes, diversity candidates, prepsters, foundation scholars or other extremely desirable individuals who did not not get a spot with the above categories.

There are a small number of additional spots but those are really exceptions and have no real impact on 99.9% of the applicants.

There is not a set schedule as to when each category is resolved and they do not necessarily go in order; all of it goes more in parallel. It is safe to assume that slates that have clear winners where no medical waivers are required are resolved quicker than a highly competitive slate where two or three individuals may be very close and the medical authority is reviewing waivers.


It is impossible to look at any of the released data and make generally assumptions about the status of your individual application.

USMA, wouldn’t the NWL resolve after all the competitive slates are determined, rather than in parallel? Feels like it wouldn’t be fair to start appointing from the pool until you know who exactly is going to be in it, which you wouldn’t know until the slates are resolved.

I was trying to generally describe the entire process. You are correct that all 150 Qualified Alternates probably cannot be resolved until all the slates are resolved but the first 100 probably could be. There may also be a diversity candidate, say mixed race from an economically disadvantaged background who will be a first generation college student, that is qualified with a nomination. The academy wants him and will make an offer knowing that the candidate will be covered as an Additional Appointee if he is not a slate winner or high enough to be a Qualified Alternate. Most early LOA offers are also in this situation. I would suggest that most slates are down to 1-3 people by the new year. Candidates are basically ranked from the day they start the application and admissions has a pretty good idea who the top 2000 candidates are and are just waiting for the nominations to come in so they can be slotted. They also see who may need waivers and start evaluating them. There is some rhythm to the overall process to ensure all the rules are followed where early nomination categories are evaluated first while college re-applicants are reviewed almost last but overall these things are all happening at the same time.

Just remember that the process is a giant puzzle with about 1200 pieces and those pieces are shifted and adjusted to get who the academy values that year with in the nomination constraints.

 

[BravoFoxtrot]

@USMA 1994 Do you know if there is only one admissions board that looks at each of the thousands of candidates or if there are multiple boards?

 

[Tucker2023]

So if one is medically DQ'd and the portal does not indicate that the waiver process has begun, could one assume an appointment is not forthcoming? Or is that a bad assumption? The email from DS's admissions counselor stated that just because the waiver process had not begun for his file did not indicate that they were not still considering him, and that a conditional appointment could come before his portal shows a waiver is being sought. But given that it is now 3/17 and the huge waive of appointment we saw on the 13th, and the fact that he needs a waiver and there is an admissions goal of 50% of the class being possible pilot qualified, I just feel like the odds are drastically diminished. As shared earlier, plan B is in place and we are pretty excited about it, so as of today I personally am just ready for the next two weeks of waiting to be over so he can move forward and I can answer people's questions about where he's going to college. The. Waiting. Sucks.

 

[FireflyMom]

There are numerous other post about this but here is admissions at the 10,000 ft view.

Basically there are three major categories for nominations and appointments:
1. Congressional & VP: about 650 Openings, 1 per MOC plus about 20% as every 5th year they will have two slots. MOC can nominate a principal nominee with ranked alternates, principal with un-ranked alternates or a competitive slate with up to 10 for each opening.
2. Presidential: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but candidates must have career service parents.
2. Service Connected: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but cover Active Service, reserves, AROTC and JAROTC
Note: Anyone applicant that is 3Q with a nomination that does not win one of the above openings is placed in the National Pool or National Waiting List

After these 850 are done, the next 150 from the NWL are offered based on Order of Merit. Must be 2/3 Congressional nominations to 1/3 Service Connected nominations. These are called Qualified Alternates"
Finally, the class is filled with "Additional Appointees" to complete the class. These also come from the National Pool but are typically athletes, diversity candidates, prepsters, foundation scholars or other extremely desirable individuals who did not not get a spot with the above categories.

There are a small number of additional spots but those are really exceptions and have no real impact on 99.9% of the applicants.

There is not a set schedule as to when each category is resolved and they do not necessarily go in order; all of it goes more in parallel. It is safe to assume that slates that have clear winners where no medical waivers are required are resolved quicker than a highly competitive slate where two or three individuals may be very close and the medical authority is reviewing waivers.


It is impossible to look at any of the released data and make generally assumptions about the status of your individual application.

USMA, wouldn’t the NWL resolve after all the competitive slates are determined, rather than in parallel? Feels like it wouldn’t be fair to start appointing from the pool until you know who exactly is going to be in it, which you wouldn’t know until the slates are resolved.

I was trying to generally describe the entire process. You are correct that all 150 Qualified Alternates probably cannot be resolved until all the slates are resolved but the first 100 probably could be. There may also be a diversity candidate, say mixed race from an economically disadvantaged background who will be a first generation college student, that is qualified with a nomination. The academy wants him and will make an offer knowing that the candidate will be covered as an Additional Appointee if he is not a slate winner or high enough to be a Qualified Alternate. Most early LOA offers are also in this situation. I would suggest that most slates are down to 1-3 people by the new year. Candidates are basically ranked from the day they start the application and admissions has a pretty good idea who the top 2000 candidates are and are just waiting for the nominations to come in so they can be slotted. They also see who may need waivers and start evaluating them. There is some rhythm to the overall process to ensure all the rules are followed where early nomination categories are evaluated first while college re-applicants are reviewed almost last but overall these things are all happening at the same time.

Just remember that the process is a giant puzzle with about 1200 pieces and those pieces are shifted and adjusted to get who the academy values that year with in the nomination constraints.

USMA 1994, did you say college reapplicants are evaluated differently and may be in the last group ? Could you expand on that ?

 

[FireflyMom]

So if one is medically DQ'd and the portal does not indicate that the waiver process has begun, could one assume an appointment is not forthcoming? Or is that a bad assumption? The email from DS's admissions counselor stated that just because the waiver process had not begun for his file did not indicate that they were not still considering him, and that a conditional appointment could come before his portal shows a waiver is being sought. But given that it is now 3/17 and the huge waive of appointment we saw on the 13th, and the fact that he needs a waiver and there is an admissions goal of 50% of the class being possible pilot qualified, I just feel like the odds are drastically diminished. As shared earlier, plan B is in place and we are pretty excited about it, so as of today I personally am just ready for the next two weeks of waiting to be over so he can move forward and I can answer people's questions about where he's going to college. The. Waiting. Sucks.

Understood Tucker 2023 especially with family constantly bugging about it haha makes it hard to take your mind off it I hs to tell them quit asking you’ll be told when DS knows something !

 

[jeng]

So if one is medically DQ'd and the portal does not indicate that the waiver process has begun, could one assume an appointment is not forthcoming? Or is that a bad assumption? The email from DS's admissions counselor stated that just because the waiver process had not begun for his file did not indicate that they were not still considering him, and that a conditional appointment could come before his portal shows a waiver is being sought. But given that it is now 3/17 and the huge waive of appointment we saw on the 13th, and the fact that he needs a waiver and there is an admissions goal of 50% of the class being possible pilot qualified, I just feel like the odds are drastically diminished. As shared earlier, plan B is in place and we are pretty excited about it, so as of today I personally am just ready for the next two weeks of waiting to be over so he can move forward and I can answer people's questions about where he's going to college. The. Waiting. Sucks.

Same boat with my DS. He received med DQ for a spinal fracture in 2015 and we have no idea if they are going to bring forward a waiver on his behalf. Definitely a frustrating process.

 

[Joeman]

So if one is medically DQ'd and the portal does not indicate that the waiver process has begun, could one assume an appointment is not forthcoming? Or is that a bad assumption? The email from DS's admissions counselor stated that just because the waiver process had not begun for his file did not indicate that they were not still considering him, and that a conditional appointment could come before his portal shows a waiver is being sought. But given that it is now 3/17 and the huge waive of appointment we saw on the 13th, and the fact that he needs a waiver and there is an admissions goal of 50% of the class being possible pilot qualified, I just feel like the odds are drastically diminished. As shared earlier, plan B is in place and we are pretty excited about it, so as of today I personally am just ready for the next two weeks of waiting to be over so he can move forward and I can answer people's questions about where he's going to college. The. Waiting. Sucks.

Same boat with my DS. He received med DQ for a spinal fracture in 2015 and we have no idea if they are going to bring forward a waiver on his behalf. Definitely a frustrating process.

I'm waiting also, just like your DS. But for some good news, my brother (USAFA Class of 2018) had a major spinal fracture with a fusion. He was cleared and received his appointment in April. Keep hope alive.

 

[AFem201]

Yes by number. Also I don't know which districts.

Are these the districts the same as state districts or are they a different separation based on USAFA admissions?

 

[jeng]

So if one is medically DQ'd and the portal does not indicate that the waiver process has begun, could one assume an appointment is not forthcoming? Or is that a bad assumption? The email from DS's admissions counselor stated that just because the waiver process had not begun for his file did not indicate that they were not still considering him, and that a conditional appointment could come before his portal shows a waiver is being sought. But given that it is now 3/17 and the huge waive of appointment we saw on the 13th, and the fact that he needs a waiver and there is an admissions goal of 50% of the class being possible pilot qualified, I just feel like the odds are drastically diminished. As shared earlier, plan B is in place and we are pretty excited about it, so as of today I personally am just ready for the next two weeks of waiting to be over so he can move forward and I can answer people's questions about where he's going to college. The. Waiting. Sucks.

Same boat with my DS. He received med DQ for a spinal fracture in 2015 and we have no idea if they are going to bring forward a waiver on his behalf. Definitely a frustrating process.

I'm waiting also, just like your DS. But for some good news, my brother (USAFA Class of 2018) had a major spinal fracture with a fusion. He was cleared and received his appointment in April. Keep hope alive.

Thank you- appreciate all the positive thoughts as possible. He has had no residual issues as a result of the injury and his ortho doc wrote a note saying so. He is a competitive 3 sport athlete and has endured some pretty hard hits in soccer and epic crashes alpine ski racing so hoping to get this cleared up soon. Regardless of whether he gets a direct appointment or not, AFROTC is part of his Plan B option so need waiver at some point regardless.

 

[TXSpideymom]

Can anyone tell me if you are from Thornberrys district in Texas , have you received a

My D'S is in Thornberrys district and we have not heard anything.

 

[USMA 1994]

There are numerous other post about this but here is admissions at the 10,000 ft view.

Basically there are three major categories for nominations and appointments:
1. Congressional & VP: about 650 Openings, 1 per MOC plus about 20% as every 5th year they will have two slots. MOC can nominate a principal nominee with ranked alternates, principal with un-ranked alternates or a competitive slate with up to 10 for each opening.
2. Presidential: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but candidates must have career service parents.
2. Service Connected: 100 Openings, nominations are unlimited but cover Active Service, reserves, AROTC and JAROTC
Note: Anyone applicant that is 3Q with a nomination that does not win one of the above openings is placed in the National Pool or National Waiting List

After these 850 are done, the next 150 from the NWL are offered based on Order of Merit. Must be 2/3 Congressional nominations to 1/3 Service Connected nominations. These are called Qualified Alternates"
Finally, the class is filled with "Additional Appointees" to complete the class. These also come from the National Pool but are typically athletes, diversity candidates, prepsters, foundation scholars or other extremely desirable individuals who did not not get a spot with the above categories.

There are a small number of additional spots but those are really exceptions and have no real impact on 99.9% of the applicants.

There is not a set schedule as to when each category is resolved and they do not necessarily go in order; all of it goes more in parallel. It is safe to assume that slates that have clear winners where no medical waivers are required are resolved quicker than a highly competitive slate where two or three individuals may be very close and the medical authority is reviewing waivers.


It is impossible to look at any of the released data and make generally assumptions about the status of your individual application.

USMA, wouldn’t the NWL resolve after all the competitive slates are determined, rather than in parallel? Feels like it wouldn’t be fair to start appointing from the pool until you know who exactly is going to be in it, which you wouldn’t know until the slates are resolved.

I was trying to generally describe the entire process. You are correct that all 150 Qualified Alternates probably cannot be resolved until all the slates are resolved but the first 100 probably could be. There may also be a diversity candidate, say mixed race from an economically disadvantaged background who will be a first generation college student, that is qualified with a nomination. The academy wants him and will make an offer knowing that the candidate will be covered as an Additional Appointee if he is not a slate winner or high enough to be a Qualified Alternate. Most early LOA offers are also in this situation. I would suggest that most slates are down to 1-3 people by the new year. Candidates are basically ranked from the day they start the application and admissions has a pretty good idea who the top 2000 candidates are and are just waiting for the nominations to come in so they can be slotted. They also see who may need waivers and start evaluating them. There is some rhythm to the overall process to ensure all the rules are followed where early nomination categories are evaluated first while college re-applicants are reviewed almost last but overall these things are all happening at the same time.

Just remember that the process is a giant puzzle with about 1200 pieces and those pieces are shifted and adjusted to get who the academy values that year with in the nomination constraints.

USMA 1994, did you say college reapplicants are evaluated differently and may be in the last group ? Could you expand on that ?

College re-applicants are not reviewed until the academy receives first semester transcripts from the college so this is typically the later group to get evaluated. If they seem competitive on a slate, the slate will not be resolved until everything is received or the application due date happens. They also have the opportunity to earn extra WCS/WPS points during the evaluation process. The successful semester of college give re-applicants an advantage in the process and why you will hear that academies love re-applicants.

 

[usafa411]

Regarding above statement " Appointments could be released everyday from now until 15 April" Appointments while very few after mid April will still come in, some even after a TWE..... some up to June. While there is more to come over the next 3 weeks no one should give up hope.

 

[Jewel44]

Is there any way to track if a certain MOC is accounted for. I am aware that one Senatorial spot for my location has been awarded, but am hopeful the MOC slot in my district is still available. Or is that process complete?

 

[SAorBUST]

Regarding above statement " Appointments could be released everyday from now until 15 April" Appointments while very few after mid April will still come in, some even after a TWE..... some up to June. While there is more to come over the next 3 weeks no one should give up hope.

Not counting prep, only about 150 seat remaining, right?

 

[jets737]

College re-applicants are not reviewed until the academy receives first semester transcripts from the college so this is typically the later group to get evaluated. If they seem competitive on a slate, the slate will not be resolved until everything is received or the application due date happens. They also have the opportunity to earn extra WCS/WPS points during the evaluation process. The successful semester of college give re-applicants an advantage in the process and why you will hear that academies love re-applicants.

My DS is a re-applicant, top 3 in his AFROTC detachment, a D1 athlete, and earned a 4.0 his first semester at a state University, so this was good to read.