No boxing requirement for female cadets?

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  1. xray328

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    I read that female cadets take " Introduction to Combatives, PE 114" versus male cadets that take "Boxing, PE 110"? Is that correct?
     
  2. HB2019

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    Yes, females are not required to do boxing. This is the same at West Point as well as Navy.
     
  3. FMHS-79

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    The requirements change from year to year, but I believe that Boxing (Phy Ed 110) is a required course typically taken as a C4C and Introduction to Combatives (Phy Ed 114) is one of the open electives (per the Curriculum Handbook - pages 103-104, 352).
     
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  4. Capt MJ

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    Based on the black eyes we have seen amongst the female USNA mids we sponsor, and the link below, it’s my impression combatives courses are required for all midshipmen, regardless of gender, for some years now. That includes boxing and wrestling Plebe year, and martial arts in the following years.

    https://www.usna.edu/AthleticDirect...100.1PE-Graduation-Requirements-from-USNA.pdf
     
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    Boxing is a required course for all cadets, regardless of gender, at USAFA.

    Phy Ed 110 is the course designation, it is part of the core curriculum and cannot be substituted. That being said the class is conducted with safety as the top priority. At USAFA the course goal is not necessarily to teach your combative or how to box, but rather how to maintain your form and composure while under pressure in the ring. It is a very beneficial and meaningful course.
     
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    For people who have never participated in a rough contact sport or been involved in schoolyard fisticuffs of any kind, it’s a lesson in self-confidence and knowing you can take a hit, and throw a punch, if you make up your mind to it. At OCS in the 20th c., it was then voluntary for women, but I volunteered. I felt pretty darn good about it. Every precaution was taken in terms of coaching, gear and rules.
     
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  7. NavyHoops

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    Women box at USNA. They have for decades. Same mandatory PE classes for both men and women at USNA. Don’t want to speak for USMA, but think women box there now also.
     
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    This course gave DD her first ever bloody nose. :eek:
     
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    @Capt MJ @FMHS-79 @Capri120 @NavyHoops

    I apologize for my incompetence on this matter. When I went on tour, the tour guide stated that men do boxing while women took combatives which I thought meant karate.

    Thanks for clearing this up, I will make sure to let the experts handle it next time.
     
  10. BlueStar

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    USAFA does indeed require boxing for both men and women unless they have changed something for the new incoming class. Both my dd and ds have taken it.
     
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  11. Capt MJ

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    No need to apologize! Equal opportunity for bloody noses and black eyes is the norm. The takeaway is everyone gets in the ring and spars, in some form or fashion. There may be some differences in how the courses are named or required, but everyone plays.
     
  12. humblebeginnings

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    USMA does require ALL cadets to take the boxing course, regardless of gender.
     
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    And everyone pays. DS had some pretty neat payment on that beautiful face of his when he came home for break. He said that is a ‘good thing I don’t know’ what they do. He loves it. A HS wrestler and football player. His momma? Not so much.
     
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    USNA we all take boxing, judo and wrestling. All were fine but judo. Goodness I hated that class. We also swim along. Imagine that... a water based service wants people to be able to swim!
     
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    Boxing story, doolie year, 1979....

    I'm a big, athletic type...so I'm in the heavyweight class. My opponent in my class is 6'6" and about 240, I'm 6'2" and 199.

    I go through a beating every class...he can jab like Ali...my head spins so many directions, I don't know what to think! And I get FRUSTRATED...

    One bright Monday my instructor, Coach Weichers tells me: "Get more aggressive, get under his reach...DO SOMETHING OR HE'LL KILL YOU!!!"

    Okay, message received.

    So...as I'm taking my expected beating...I decide to end this. Oh, did I tell you I had never boxed, but had been in martial arts for many years? So...after another flurry of jabs to my poor head, I "lost it" and performed a spinning back-fist to the head, followed by a roundhouse kick to the chest. Down went my opponent. Coach W?? He's NOT a happy camper!! He's racking me like an upperclassman he's so...angry. "Why Mr, WHY?!" "Sir...I'm tired of getting my rear beaten every day and you said to do something. This was something I knew I could do!"

    Laughter ensued. My opponent, my classmate, thought it was funny...Coach eventually realize the humor...

    And I didn't take a beating that day.

    But then came Wednesday...

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
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    Ooh, roundhouse kick? Chuck Norris, you are!
     
  17. Parent of 4

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    Female plebes definitely took boxing at USMA this year...
     
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    DS ‘18 sent kid to hospital with concussion.. oops! Also any attendance at The Wing Open will see excellent boxing (& sportsmanship!!) from M & F... in fact the F matches are more intense... remember it is not State U...
     
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    Having 6.5 years of boxing experience, I have to say that I think boxing should be encouraged at SA's, as well as universities IMO, regardless of who attends because it teaches you so much more than just self-defense. Just ask any boxer, they will tell you the same thing. Boxing taught me to work hard, the importance of discipline, how to react under pressure, and so much more. If it wasn't for boxing, I do not think I would be the dedicated young man I am today... I would probably be doing things that other people my age currently do that I do not agree with. Plus it is pretty funny seeing the girls who really know how to throw beat up the guys that come into our gym thinking they're really tough too :D. I understand people's concern with concussions and everything else, but in the military, an officer needs to be able to react under pressure and I believe boxing can help one find that confidence even if it is small. There are far greater under pressure moments per se that officers will have, I think that having a few blows thrown one's way wouldn't be too bad. Also, I think SA's are cracking down on safer sparring due to the number of concussions that have occurred. Hypothetically speaking, I do not think it is beneficial to throw Roy Jones Jr. in with someone who has a week of boxing experience either, that will only result in someone getting hurt.
     
  20. Old Navy BGO

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    I don't venture to the USAFA side very often, but Flieger started the Boxing stories....

    Boxing was (is?) part of the standard Plebe PT program at USNA. I recall everybody was paired off for the final test, just a short bout with a similar sized partner. Every was making " deals" about making it looks good, taking it easy to avoid permanent damage, etc. None of those deals survived first contact, and several of the bouts ended in real slugfests.

    As noted above, Boxing class isn't about turning you into boxers, but rather to instill confidence under pressure. Navy also included Boxing in the Aviation Indoctrination curriculum in Pcola as well...same rationale.
     
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