For one of my senator's nomination, it states that the nominations must be submitted to the USNA by the 31. Does this mean that I will be notified of my status at that time? I have not heard anything thus far from their office and the other senator let me know months ago. Is this deadline for all nominations?
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usna1985
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It is up to the individual MOC's office to notify you. If you receive a nom, your USNA portal will be updated to reflect that nom. If you don't receive a nom, there is no notification from USNA (though lack of seeing a nom on your portal by the first week of February typically means you didn't receive one).
It is unfortunate, but some MOC's offices fail to notify candidates who don't receive nominations. You can try calling/contacting your MOC's nominations coordinator. I will say that, if your MOC left office following the last election, the current MOC SA coordination may not have much or any information on what was done by the predecessor MOC.
It is unfortunate, but some MOC's offices fail to notify candidates who don't receive nominations. You can try calling/contacting your MOC's nominations coordinator. I will say that, if your MOC left office following the last election, the current MOC SA coordination may not have much or any information on what was done by the predecessor MOC.
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Our Senator sent a letter this week saying he would not nominate my DS because he already had a congressional nomination.
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While I understand the Senator's desire to spread the goodwill associated with Nominations, its unfortunate that they don't realize the impact this may have on Candidates. There is a reason that USNA encourages Candidates to apply for all available NOM sources ... multiple nominations gives Noms and Appointments more flexibility in seating the best candidates.,
I agree 100%. Our MOC's staff member even went so far to say to the entire group on interview day that there is absolutely no reason to have more than one nomination. All it does is create bragging points for candidates. I couldn't disagree more with that opinion, but I obviously kept my mouth shut.
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I can understand why they do it, even if I may not agree. The goal is to have as many happy constituents as possible. Thus, you and your DD are happy with a nom. If the Senator gives someone else his/her the nom that might o/w have gone to your DD, voila, two sets of happy constituents!
It can happen for another reason in super-competitive areas. Say that Candidate A is clearly the most outstanding. All 3 MOCs would certainly put her on their slates. If they do so, that means two other terrific candidates (in this highly competitive area) won't get a nom, which significantly constrains their chances for an appointment when in fact they might be very competitive in the National Pool.
So, it sucks if you're the one who might have had 2+ noms but the other kids who get at least one shot are pretty happy.
This tends to occur more often in the MOCs are members of the same political party. And USNA generally knows those areas where "double" or "multiple" noms are a rarity or impossibility. Thus, it won't hurt those candidates.
It can happen for another reason in super-competitive areas. Say that Candidate A is clearly the most outstanding. All 3 MOCs would certainly put her on their slates. If they do so, that means two other terrific candidates (in this highly competitive area) won't get a nom, which significantly constrains their chances for an appointment when in fact they might be very competitive in the National Pool.
So, it sucks if you're the one who might have had 2+ noms but the other kids who get at least one shot are pretty happy.
This tends to occur more often in the MOCs are members of the same political party. And USNA generally knows those areas where "double" or "multiple" noms are a rarity or impossibility. Thus, it won't hurt those candidates.
I just got the same letter.
Me too. But my senator and representative gave me one because they don’t check other noms, luckily.
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^^^
Some don't check and some don't care (that you already have a nom). For example, in some states, there may not be 10 qualified candidates in the entire state, let alone 10 good candidates, so there is bound to be overlap. I've also seen hyper-competitive states where one MOC takes the attitude, "I'm going to nominate whomever I think is best and don't care if someone else nominates them."
Some don't check and some don't care (that you already have a nom). For example, in some states, there may not be 10 qualified candidates in the entire state, let alone 10 good candidates, so there is bound to be overlap. I've also seen hyper-competitive states where one MOC takes the attitude, "I'm going to nominate whomever I think is best and don't care if someone else nominates them."
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IMHO, more than one NOM does not help. The only advantage to getting multiple NOMS is that is reduces the pool of nominations forwarded (in other words narrows the nominated field). You have to remember there are also SC NOMS and AD NOMS. My DS's Regional Commander advised since he had a SC NOM there was no reason to go out and take a potential MOC NOM from another cadet who was qualified. USMA wants the most available NOMS so that they can properly evaluate and choose the most highly qualified.
In the end, a candidate needs only one NOM, and having multiple NOMS does not effect the selection process, unless it is a Presidential NOM (they usual confer immediate appointment). If you look at your portal it only has NOM checked off, not type or number. Your "application file" that is reviewed by the Admissions Board will indicate the additional NOMS, but if you don't get to that stage no one sees it, and how much weight with the Board it carries is minimal. The Board evaluates candidates based on the WCS, NOT how many NOMS they have.
In the end, a candidate needs only one NOM, and having multiple NOMS does not effect the selection process, unless it is a Presidential NOM (they usual confer immediate appointment). If you look at your portal it only has NOM checked off, not type or number. Your "application file" that is reviewed by the Admissions Board will indicate the additional NOMS, but if you don't get to that stage no one sees it, and how much weight with the Board it carries is minimal. The Board evaluates candidates based on the WCS, NOT how many NOMS they have.
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My son got a waiver for colorblindness and an LOA. He has one nom and he is in.
One state senator didn’t give it to him but gave him USMMA to pass them around. Another found out he had a nom and and LOA and didn’t give it to him.
I tend to agree with what you are saying. If they want you, they will get you in with one nom. And what you could be doing is taking away a nom from someone else searching for one.
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So he has his offer of appointment, after the excruciating color blindness waiver wait? Great to hear.
Down the road, I and probably many others would be interested to know what restricted line and staff communities will be mentioned as possibilities. That will help others who are or will be in the same position. All that remains then is he is sure he is fine with a shot at one of those in 2023!
Great to see he finally got his waiver!!!
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He is waiting for the offer ... he has his LOA and waiver.
I will document everything for everyone else going through it.
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Just to clarify for some who may not have read this entire thread (and thus realize it relates to LOAs). Pres noms do NOT usually confer an immediate appointment UNLESS you have an LOA and are o/w fully qualified. [That, BTW, is what the post above referred so it is correct in that regard to but it has become unlinked from the discussion of LOAs and thus didn't want anyone to be confused.]
If you have an LOA, you only need one nomination. If you don't have an LOA, having multiple noms (when it's possible, and it's not possible in some areas and for some candidates) is a benefit.
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Can you help us with avenues to get the waiver since you have had that experience? Our son received an LOA and a nomination and he is looking for options to get the waiver for poor color vision. He has everything else: Triple Qualified, LOA, Nomination, letter welcoming him to the class of 2023, etc. He just has a declined waiver right now and wants to try to get this changed, even with the restrictions.
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If he is triple qualified, it means he has the waiver.
My son had an LOA ... he would be assured an appointment if he got the third q - medical. He was disqualified because of his color blindness.
The portal said something like needs medical qualification. When the waiver was approved by the Superintendent, he became triple qualified.
Did your son get something that said his waiver was denied? He got a letter welcoming him to the class of 2023?
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The Triple Q comment was from his B&G officer as I think it was the physical fitness part...said he just needed the waiver.
The waiver denial showed up on his portal about a month after his LOA.
The waiver denial showed up on his portal about a month after his LOA.