nomination question

It angers me because as you can see from my excerpts above your tone and reply is nothing but condesending and disingenuous from you latest retort clearly illustrate. Why shouldn't I be a little miffed - you went to an Academy for a full four year free ride, and then by your own admisson in post #71 of this thread did nothing but the minimum repayment of your obligation:

How many pieces of flare would you have me wear? I did my five and I got married and my priorities changed. I'm not going to apologize for that. It WAS active duty.

Not sure why "fought bravely" would anger you. I'm sure they did. I also think it's good you honor that. The Coast Guard, when not referring to Douglas Munro, refers to the USCGC TANEY in Pearl Harbor. Every service or academy has it's stories. Good. I didn't say it in jest.


That's real pride in your service, I'm sure when you get back to Homecoming your post-graduation career and choices are truly impressive and well regarded by your classmates who are still serving and are being promoted early in the zone or whatever you Gaurdsmen call it. Of course if not you can always regal them about how much you have been able to goad and piss off Alumni, etc. from your rivals at USMMA here on SAF, that might get you a few more points of respect, but probably not since I expect they like my classmates tend to a) not care about any of that sort of stuff during homecoming and since weboth graduated from small Academies, we all pretty much know each other's professional accomplishments, anyway.

I'm not actually following this comment... are you saying they're going to talk about themselves or I'm going to talk about my desk job? Either way, our last homecoming was a pretty fun time, and I'm pretty sure jobs didn't come up one. We talked about families and old stories. And then, I think, we won a football game. I can tell you, SAF never comes up when I'm with classmates (and we don't really talk about USMMA... even as cadets).

Another reasion for being irked, is it sure seems to me you want to come into this forum and demean the service and obligation, etc. of USMMA, and also ROTC graduates (ref your post on this thread #36), but I made this point earlier:

I haven't said anything negative about ROTC grads. A poster said nomination boards were filled with recent academy graduates, I said mine were filled with older graduates and when they were academy, they were ROTC. No issue with ROTC.

Finally, I guess what really bothers me the most is how you spout off misinformation dogmatically here; for example your nomination examples about the midwest, etc. while only mildly inaccurate as regards the nomination process fo USMA, USAFA and USNA which are driven by entirely different sections of the US Code than USMMA's process are totally bogus when on reads and understands the applicable law for USMMA - 46 CFR 310.53. Of course you'll just likely spout off some genric, "Tea Party-esque" (my summary of everything you've written - Big Government = Bad Things and Absolutely Nothing Good even though as a result of it you got a free education for just five short years of payback." nonsense as to why this all makes you even more right in general and specifically how it even further proves your point that Congress should not in any way be involved in the selection of students for any of the five service academies.

Huh? I posted a link, which I'd recommend you review. The nomination process is not exactly the same, as not all of the sources are the same. Go ahead and re-read it. USMMA doesn't have the exact same sources (they have less).

And I don't think the federal government is all bad. I do think it's inefficient, often misdirected, and sometimes very wrong. And judging by the displeasure of "regulations" for the merchant fleet by one of your KP buddies, it appears I'm not the only one.



LITS - I am truly done with this thread so you all can have the last words. Have fun with that and hey thanks for proving every fear and bad feeling any of my fellow alumni have about the reasonableness, etc. of certain USCGA Alumni when you board our vessels in performance of one of your numerous Non-Military Missions - MSO. I think I have this right don't I - 11 sautory missions of the USCG and only one and a half is "Military" ... but hey just continue to disparage the USMMA's traditions and basis for having a battle standard, I'm sure it's getting you lots of fans by everyone who reads these forums since Maritime Safety; Maritime Mobility including operating drawbridges like the Wodrow Wilson Bridge here in the DC Metro; Homeland and maritime security Expanded arctic operations; Protection of natural resources etc. all really cause guys in the Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force to immediately feel like they too should take issue with your inability to join the Navy Federal Credit Union, etc. since you aren't part of the DoD like the rest of the "Military." Yep, why focus on those 9 1/2 missions when you can throw manure at USMMA and NROTC and other guys who serve by focusing on the mission areas that are Military: national defense - special forces like Port Security Units, etc. or cases here when the Homeland Security mission requires address of Posse Comitatus to go where/do things tha DoD entities like NORTHCOM are prohibited from doing by our Constitution. Like I said, I now leave you and others the last words on this subject/thread.

Um, no problem, I'm sure the feeling it mutual in most cases.... but there are only so many Exxon Valdezs or Cosco Busons that can occur before that's just natural.

We spent and entire thread with a KP alum saying the U.S. Merchant Marine wasn't an entity (and therefore couldn't be in decline). You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that USMMA is too militarized and then cry when someone says it isn't a military academy (it isn't). You can't say the Merchant Marine isn't an entity, and then argue that it has a distinct organization and identity (we founded the Navy!).

100%, there are portions of the Coast Guard that are far more "federal law enforcement" than "military". Small boat stations, SAR platforms, MSOs, sectors, ATON units, etc. I don't think that worries too many Coast Guardsmen though. They know what the service is like.

Might want to check the Navy Federal Credit Union website, your info is dated.

And remember, I didn't limit the powers with Posse Comitatus... I promise that was around long before me or NORTHCOM.
 
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It WAS active duty...I can tell you, SAF never comes up when I'm with classmates (and we don't really talk about USMMA... even as cadets).

O.K. Now I see where you are coming from...I'm reading between the plethora of lines you have offered here... Active duty is military. SSOP,USNR, the partial default of KP service obligations, well that's a different story...kind of like the alternate universe of which you had previously alluded?

In addition, there is a deduction of something less then honest in your denial of talking USMMA when you are with classmates. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your copious postings reveal an infatuation with KP.

Going forward, I'm aboard with the KPEngineer plan.
 
In addition, there is a deduction of something less then honest in your denial of talking USMMA when you are with classmates.

I think of it like some DC area schools. American University constantly has something to say about George Washington University. GW constantly has something to say about Georgetown, and yes Georgetown never talks about GW and GW never talks about American.

I don't think CGA cadets/grads really care about USMMA. I know we try to get it going, but honestly, it's not something CGA folks focus on.

First time I experienced something like it was my first semester 4/c year. We had to travel to Norwich, and after Norwich lost, students and parents started heckling CGA 4/c.... and all the 4/c could think was 1. We didn't know we were supposed to be rivals and 2. we never really cared about you... and still don't.

USMMA is forced as the only other D3 service academy, but I've never really lost sleep over them. I'm hoping they say they same thing, but after spending the night as a senior in high school.... maybe they don't.
 
I choose henceforth to boycott all USMMA threads in which LITS participates as no longer germane to the USMMA.

Yet you yourself bring up USCGA and ask a question about it, in this thread, and expect him (or anyone associated with USCGA) not to comment.

Read your own post, it's the 2nd one in the thread.

Quoted again below:

Because the Code of Federal Regulation requires it.

The better question is why does USCGA not require a nomination like every other service academy.

:rolleyes:
 
I think of it like some DC area schools. American University constantly has something to say about George Washington University. GW constantly has something to say about Georgetown, and yes Georgetown never talks about GW and GW never talks about American.

I don't think CGA cadets/grads really care about USMMA. I know we try to get it going, but honestly, it's not something CGA folks focus on.

First time I experienced something like it was my first semester 4/c year. We had to travel to Norwich, and after Norwich lost, students and parents started heckling CGA 4/c.... and all the 4/c could think was 1. We didn't know we were supposed to be rivals and 2. we never really cared about you... and still don't.

USMMA is forced as the only other D3 service academy, but I've never really lost sleep over them. I'm hoping they say they same thing, but after spending the night as a senior in high school.... maybe they don't.

You may not be losing sleep but you are spending alot of time on this thread decrying the nom process. Are you doing the same for USAFA, USNA and USMA?
 
You may not be losing sleep but you are spending alot of time on this thread decrying the nom process. Are you doing the same for USAFA, USNA and USMA?

No, because nothing on the USMA, USNA and USAFA threads said "Why DOES CGA do it"...

As Luigi mentioned, that was the second comment in this thread.

And yes, I am commenting on the same thread on the CGA forum.
 
No, because nothing on the USMA, USNA and USAFA threads said "Why DOES CGA do it"...

As Luigi mentioned, that was the second comment in this thread.

And yes, I am commenting on the same thread on the CGA forum.

Perhaps you should read your answer to the 2nd post...you attacked EVERY other SA's use of noms. Maybe the time you spend here can be put to better use writing to your local MOC, DOD, or DOT explaining to them why nominations should be done away with. Let us know how that goes.
 
Perhaps you should read your answer to the 2nd post...you attacked EVERY other SA's use of noms. Maybe the time you spend here can be put to better use writing to your local MOC, DOD, or DOT explaining to them why nominations should be done away with. Let us know how that goes.

It's clear from that comment that you have read the words of this thread without understanding their meaning.

DOD and DOT have no say in this. They can't lobby. All they can do is "inform."

My local MOC is an idiot (as is my the state leadership). As I have said (and you should read... again, because you apparently missed it the first time), MOCs don't want to give UP this power. It won't go anywhere, if for no other reason, it already exists.

And having worked a short time in a liaison office for the military, on the Hill, my letter would get no where....because DOD and the individual services have little to no say. It's hard to reverse something in the federal government (unless we're talking slavery or prohibition).

And of course I attack the use of nominations. In case it hasn't been obviously presented, I think nominations are stupid. That's not an attack on USMA, USNA, USMMA or USAFA... I honestly think they would be fine without nominations, and I don't think those schools would put up much fuss if noms went away. My beef is more with the process.

What's more entertaining is how personally you feel that Congress (with a historically low approval rating and trust factor) is a good judge of your kid's character. Congress isn't a good judge of its own character.... why do you think they really care about your kid?
 
Embarassing

All - As a CGA graduate and MMA dad I am embarrassed by the mean spirited personal attacks being traded here by other graduates of these fine institutions. If I were a perspective candidate, reading this thread would give me pause about attending either MMA or CGA if this discussion is representative of the graduates. I ask you to consider stopping this fruitless debate and allowing this thread to drift to the bottom instead of continually bumping it to the top.

Thanks.
 
All - As a CGA graduate and MMA dad I am embarrassed by the mean spirited personal attacks being traded here by other graduates of these fine institutions. If I were a perspective candidate, reading this thread would give me pause about attending either MMA or CGA if this discussion is representative of the graduates. I ask you to consider stopping this fruitless debate and allowing this thread to drift to the bottom instead of continually bumping it to the top.

Thanks.

It may very well be because of the anonymity behind their screen name that some curmudgeon may seem tough typing on a keyboard. It just begs the question from a prospective applicant's point of view-what's he trying to prove or compensate for? I would bet that this is not how they interact with other service members-active or retired in person and within three steps.
But just like the useful information that can be derived from other's perspective. You pick up the useful nuggets and discard the thrash.
 
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I would bet that this is not how they interact with other service members-active or retired in person and within three steps.

Ah, then you would be surprised at how direct folks can be. :wink:

I'm willing to bet jasper and Kpengineer are just as willing to have these discussions in person as they are online. I certainly am. Now, maybe things wouldn't get lost in translation, like my "I'm sure they fought with courage," but for the most part, I think people are willing to say here, what they would outside.

What kids reading these forums can certainly take away, is there is no wide agreement on whether Congressional nominations are good things or bad things, whether they make an academy stronger or keep it from becoming stronger.

But if the back and forth on here scares someone away, well, then they have no idea what's coming (because conversations of this "intensity" DO happen, in real live, and within the academies).
 
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