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Joshuposhy

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My senator presented a nomination list of ten names, but he still submitted it in competitive format. I can’t find anything about this in the FAQ’s. Does the #1 pick still likely get the nom?
 
Joshuposhy said:
My senator presented a nomination list of ten names, but he still submitted it in competitive format. I can’t find anything about this in the FAQ’s. Does the #1 pick still likely get the nom?
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The language is very specific - if you are using "competitive" correctly, then the order on the list does not matter; it is unranked. Admissions will rank the list by WCS score and offer appointment to the qualified candidate with the highest WCS score..

There are three nomination methods:
  1. Competitive - an unranked slate of nominees
  2. Principal with Competing Alternates - a Principal nominee and 9 unranked alternates
  3. Principal with Numbered Alternates - a Principal nominee and 9 alternates ranked in order of preference
 
Joshuposhy said:
My senator presented a nomination list of ten names, but he still submitted it in competitive format. I can’t find anything about this in the FAQ’s. Does the #1 pick still likely get the nom?
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Everyone on the slate now has a nom. If the Senator did not use the principal method, and whether or not he or she ranked them, the SA will rank the candidates according to their method. They may then choose to offer an appointment to be charged against the Senator’s quota. All fully qualified candidates on the slate who do not get this offer of appointment then go into the national pool to compete against others in a similar situation. The SA may continue to fill out the class from this pool according to applicable policy.

I didn’t understand your question “Does the #1 pick still likely get the nom.” I answered the question I thought you meant to ask. Let us know if you still have questions. If you haven’t read the Sticky posts at the very top of the Nominations forum, now is a good time.
 
To ensure I'm clear on this...if a competitive slate is sent to the SA and the SA selects the highest WCS qualified candidate for an appointment will the SA then go back to that slate and pick the next highest WCS qualified candidate to offer a nomination if the first declines the appointment (to ensure local representation at the SA) or does that appointment get filled from the national pool?
 
Think you switched up appointment with nomination there at the end again. That said, what I have read in other threads is that typically WP will come back to the MOCs slate and pick the next highest WCS to offer appointment and that individual would be charged to that MOC’s quota. It was also mentioned that WP Admissions was under no obligation to do so and I am not in Admissions so I don’t know if they have a policy they follow or not in those circumstances.
 
Everyone on that slate has a nom, one of the requirements to be offered an appointment (USCGA excepted). The SA will not “offer a nomination.”

The SAs generally like to keep good relations with the elected official and will choose someone from that slate to fulfill that official’s quota. Whether or not they specifically choose someone else if that one is declined, well, that is behind the wizard’s green curtain. No doubt there is someone here who may be able to speak more authoritatively to that part of the rabbit hole.

The pool is its own charging authority with its own rules.

Everyone who is fully qualified with at least 1 nom has a shot.
 
okboomer said:
Think you switched up appointment with nomination there at the end again.
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^^^I did accidentally swap nomination for appointment :(...

Capt MJ said:
Whether or not they specifically choose someone else if that one is declined, well, that is behind the wizard’s green curtain.
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^^^That's the heart of what I'm trying to figure out.

Thank you @okboomer and @Capt MJ for your responses...it appears there may be some flexibility on how that situation gets resolved and is something I would never had thought about if this journey didn't start my DDs freshman year in high school :stretcher: (I am thankful it didn't start as early as some of the postings I've seen!)
 
aircat said:
^^^I did accidentally swap nomination for appointment :(...


^^^That's the heart of what I'm trying to figure out.

Thank you @okboomer and @Capt MJ for your responses...it appears there may be some flexibility on how that situation gets resolved and is something I would never had thought about if this journey didn't start my DDs freshman year in high school :stretcher: (I am thankful it didn't start as early as some of the postings I've seen!)
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Only our experience from last year, if they decline before the May 1st date, it will go to another person picked from that nomination slate. However, on or after the May 1st date, the person will be replaced from the NWL. We are in the southeast region.
 
Basically he told me that he ranked me #1 on his list of 10 but he has been known to use competitive slates. Will the ranking not matter?
 
aircat said:
To ensure I'm clear on this...if a competitive slate is sent to the SA and the SA selects the highest WCS qualified candidate for an appointment will the SA then go back to that slate and pick the next highest WCS qualified candidate to offer a nomination if the first declines the appointment (to ensure local representation at the SA) or does that appointment get filled from the national pool?
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Each SA may administer the process differently. USMA will offer an appointment to the qualified Principal nominee or slate winner. If that candidate declines the appointment, USMA is not required to offer the appointment to the next in line on that slate, but normally does.
 
jl123 said:
Each SA may administer the process differently. USMA will offer an appointment to the qualified Principal nominee or slate winner. If that candidate declines the appointment, USMA is not required to offer the appointment to the next in line on that slate, but normally does.
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I would add that there is an unknown timeframe involved where it is more likely they return to the same slate but after that unknown date they will shift to the NWL or other source. From past experience.
 
Dadofcandidiate said:
If a Congressman has multiple vacancies at an Academy can they select multiple principle nominations?
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If you haven’t yet read the Stickies at the top of the forum, please do.

An elected official can have 5 appointees at each Academy (USCGA not required to use nom system).

That means there is usually 1, perhaps 2 slots available in a given admissions cycle.

The official can submit a list (the “slate”) of up to 10 names for each open slot.

The slate can also be any number less than 10.

The official has a choice of ways to submit. If the official chooses the principal method, then 1 nominee on a slate is officially designated as the principal.
Principal nom + fully qualified by SA = offer of appointment, generally.

The official, if they are filling two slots, could submit two completely different slates, or, choose to duplicate names on both slates.

Have some fun with:
 
GADestiny said:
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This is a worthwhile reference, but it’s important to note it is not an official USMA.edu primary source. www.west-point.org is the independent 501(c)3 non-profit, non-governmental, organization, the Association of Graduates.

Similarly, there is USNA.edu, the official Naval Academy govt website and primary source, but also USNA.com, the website for the independent Naval Academy Alumni Assn, also a 501(c)3. Www.navysports.com is the site for another independent non-profit, the Naval Academy Athletic Assn (NAAA). Similar set-ups exist at the other SAs. They are deeply entangled, and are primary sources for their own functions, but only the SA.edu site is the absolute official source.

These non-profits are wonderful organizations which play a key role in the “family” surrounding an SA.
 
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Dadofcandidiate said:
If a Congressman has multiple vacancies at an Academy can they select multiple principle nominations?
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Yes. It is explained in the stickies. Each MOC can have up to five “charged” nominees attending each SA at any given time maximum. With many other Nomination sources available, there could be many more individuals attending the same SA from the MOCs district that Just aren’t “charged” to the MOC.
Situations occur in some Nomination cycles where there may be two openings available for “charged “ Nominations to that MOC.
The MOC would then have 2 slates with up to ten candidates each. Each slate of ten could have one Principal Nominee.
This happened in our District with DS.
 
Ya, fortunate for my DS, our previous MOC didn’t send a lot of people to SA’s. Only 10 interviewed. Just didn’t know how that worked.
 
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