NROTC Navy Results

I have a question about the NROTC scholarship for those who just recently received theirs. My DD received hers a couple of weeks ago. She has not accepted it yet (due to a few factors) and we have looked over all of the emails she has received and can't find by when she would have to accept it by. It just states that she would need to accept it before the fall semester starts and that even after she accepts it, she will still be able to decline as long as it's before the fall semester starting. I was just wondering if anyone else has been given a specific date to accept the scholarship. Thank you.
 
@rviad92o: Traditionally, it has been 30 days to accept the offer. I hope someone can confirm as you don't want to miss the window.
 
USMCGrunt said:
@rviad92o: Traditionally, it has been 30 days to accept the offer. I hope someone can confirm as you don't want to miss the window.
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Thank you for your response. I'm thinking there has to be a specific date for deadline too and we don't want her to miss it. DD didn't finalize her decision to apply to NROTC and SA school until we had done all her college visits. We have visited the school she received her NROTC scholarship (her brother is a junior there) but did not inquire about the ROTC program there at the time. DD has emailed the ROTC officer there since she was award the scholarship and is awaiting for a response. She has also not been admitted to the school yet. In the meantime, she is also still awaiting to hear from the SA.
 
There is no real drawback to accepting the scholarship right away. Your daughter can still drop it down the road if she gets into the academy, fails to get into a school (and chooses not to transfer) etc. My recommendation is to accept and continue down the path.
 
^agree with @USMCGrunt. Accept the scholarship now and if a SA appointment comes along simply decline the ROTC scholarship. This happened with DD a few years ago. She accepted the NROTC scholarship, then had it transferred to a different school and later received an appointment to USNA, which she accepted and declined the NROTC scholarship.
 
Thank you all for the great advice and help with this! DD accepted the NROTC tonight. We would rather she had the opportunity to make changes later than lose out on it. I'm glad I asked on this forum as the email from NROTC and the website have not been clear about specific deadlines. Thank you again!
 
Hello all,

I was just wondering how selective/competitive NROTC is compared to USNA. If any of you know the numbers or have insight on this I'd love to hear it. Thanks
 
I do not know stats. Generally the same super qualified kids apply. So the competition is similar in that sense. NROTC and USNA are different in a couple ways. USNA is first a competition within your own state to win a nomination from your MOC (although other nomination sources exist, but generally one competes to win their slate). USNA has legally legislated requirements for their class composition (generalization: to have representation from all states). If one does not “win their slate”, they are then put into a national pool of candidates from which USNA will select to fill in the rest of the class.

NROTC is a national competition from the git go. There is no “winning the slate” of your MOC. You are immediately competing nationally.

DS received both offers. IMO, NROTC represents a more overall national competition. And USNA is a more difficult one to receive as you are required to win a slate first. Which in a competitive state is even more difficult.

So the while the people applying are similar, the process is different. BTW, there is a lot of debate/discussion on the forums about your very question.
 
The stats for NROTC scholarships are about the same as the stats for USNA. In fact, because of the non-geographic nature of the competition, I would say the NROTC stats are perhaps a wee bit higher. Makes sense since there is no geography component and many folks apply for both. NROTC can actually be a bit more selective than USNA because of the lack of geographic limitations.

I'm not sure about the stats of those who do NROTC vs USNA, since the program is open to folks who are not awarded a scholarship. For example. my DS was a solid B student in high school. One 'A' and one 'C' each semester with the rest being B's He joined NROTC as a Marine Option and earned a scholarship during his sophomore year after making the Dean's list repeatedly. I'm confident folks with lower grades enroll in the program and complete it successfully, even without receiving a scholarship. So the overall NROTC stats may be quite different from the academy.
 
From pursing the forums for past years, I note that every year there are NROTC recipients that do not receive USNA appointments. There seems to be a much smaller subset of USNA appointments that do not receive NROTC scholarships but this may be an artifact of lack of reporting TWEs for NROTC who receive BFE for USNA. It seems that the State/District element of USNA appointment comes into play but I also think that USNA may put greater weight on things such as sports captaincy, athletic achievements, and school-related leadership roles (don't mean this to be a blanket statement but just an observation), whereas NROTC seems to place greater weight on ACT/SAT, class rank/GPA, Eagle Scout, etc. and less emphasis on athletic achievement. They are very similar but there seems to be some differences of emphasis. If one where to draw a Venn diagram of "stats" (I prefer "record") for NROTC scholarship recipients and USNA appointees, there would be very significant overlap but probably not a perfect overlap, which would suggest different "records" or applicant characteristics are sought by NROTC compared to USNA.. For example, ACT/SAT averages for NROTC 4-year scholarship winners are higher than for USNA. You also see USNA candidates that are (very likely) 3Q, multiple nominations, solid sports/leadership, very high scholastic/standardized test scores, and who were awarded an NROTC scholarship but did not win an appointment off of the NWL. I suspect this phenomenon is the result of USNA's goal of building a class (and considering or weighing differently applicants' records) and the need to account for other factors in class building, whereas NROTC is not (as) concerned about finding the "right mix".

My DS is currently in the same boat as some others - NROTC recipient but waiting on USNA. We (and DS) understand that being awarded an NROTC scholarship (which is a great honor and thrill) cannot be considered an indicator that DS will receive a USNA appointment. I think it is really important to not treat a four-year NROTC scholarship as a conciliation prize because it is a great path to commissioning, has advantages that are available at USNA, and is a VERY significant achievement.
 
Panther32 said:
Hello all,

I was just wondering how selective/competitive NROTC is compared to USNA. If any of you know the numbers or have insight on this I'd love to hear it. Thanks
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I am a mom do 3 kids accepted to USNA. My fourth is still waiting to hear back. Only one of my kids was accepted to Navy ROTC the other two didn’t get an ROTC scholarship. Here’s what I think. The son who was accepted to both had a high SAT scores and received a direct entry to USNA. My other two were below the requirement on the SATS yet USNA looked passed that and sent the other two to Navy Prep (NAPS) and ROTC doesn’t do that. So my opinion I almost feel it’s easier to get into USNA because you have two chances with NAPS being a path as well. Just my take, but if we would have listened to high school counselors telling my son that his SAT score didn’t qualify him he wouldn’t be an officer
today..
 
Kudos to the last two posters. There is no "consolation prize" when it comes to becoming a military officer. There are multiple paths but they all lead to the rank of 2nd Lieutenant/ Ensign. It may be sacrilege to certain posters, but USNA isn't right for some; NROTC isn't right for others and sometimes a candidate finds themselves on a less travelled path to becoming an officer (OCS, PLC, etc). In the end, successful completion of the program puts everyone at the same starting point in their career.
 
kinnem said:
For example. my DS was a solid B student in high school. One 'A' and one 'C' each semester with the rest being B's He joined NROTC as a Marine Option and earned a scholarship during his sophomore year after making the Dean's list repeatedly.
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@kinnem: That is a great success story and a credit to your son AND his unit leadership. In my post military life as a salesman and sales manager (30+ years), I have had the opportunity to interview and hire a fair amount of people. Your DS would get an extra look exactly for the reasons you describe. Sometimes, life rewards those who struggle and eventually find their way.
 
ders_dad said:
From pursing the forums for past years, I note that every year there are NROTC recipients that do not receive USNA appointments. There seems to be a much smaller subset of USNA appointments that do not receive NROTC scholarships but this may be an artifact of lack of reporting TWEs for NROTC who receive BFE for USNA. It seems that the State/District element of USNA appointment comes into play but I also think that USNA may put greater weight on things such as sports captaincy, athletic achievements, and school-related leadership roles (don't mean this to be a blanket statement but just an observation), whereas NROTC seems to place greater weight on ACT/SAT, class rank/GPA, Eagle Scout, etc. and less emphasis on athletic achievement. They are very similar but there seems to be some differences of emphasis. If one where to draw a Venn diagram of "stats" (I prefer "record") for NROTC scholarship recipients and USNA appointees, there would be very significant overlap but probably not a perfect overlap, which would suggest different "records" or applicant characteristics are sought by NROTC compared to USNA.. For example, ACT/SAT averages for NROTC 4-year scholarship winners are higher than for USNA. You also see USNA candidates that are (very likely) 3Q, multiple nominations, solid sports/leadership, very high scholastic/standardized test scores, and who were awarded an NROTC scholarship but did not win an appointment off of the NWL. I suspect this phenomenon is the result of USNA's goal of building a class (and considering or weighing differently applicants' records) and the need to account for other factors in class building, whereas NROTC is not (as) concerned about finding the "right mix".

My DS is currently in the same boat as some others - NROTC recipient but waiting on USNA. We (and DS) understand that being awarded an NROTC scholarship (which is a great honor and thrill) cannot be considered an indicator that DS will receive a USNA appointment. I think it is really important to not treat a four-year NROTC scholarship as a conciliation prize because it is a great path to commissioning, has advantages that are available at USNA, and is a VERY significant achievement.
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I’m trying to think why it would be thought that there is a different emphasis on SAT/ACT and Athletics/Leadership between NROTC scholarship and USNA? Not saying there isnt a difference, I’m saying I don’t get that feeling from the application process for either. Both have the same boxes to check. Look for the same qualifications in the applications. I also don’t get the feeling there is a difference from my time perusing these forums. So I personally don’t feel like there is a different emphasis. Both programs are looking for the same academic/leader superstars.

Good point about NAPS above. USNA has a place they can put kids they want, who need to hone a few skills first. Hadn’t thought about that one!

One observation, is that the interview for NROTC scholarship is done by a military person. In our case, a Captain at DS’s first choice. So his interviewer I would imagine has more input on that process for NROTC, than a BGO interviewer for USNA. Our BGO was a volunteer with no military background. My understanding is BGO’s wouldn’t have the same “impact” on the application selection as the Captain for NROTC (who actually has the ability to offer ISR).

One thing for readers to consider, is actually COMPLETING a NROTC scholarship application! I have read of so many kids, who thought they were USNA material, and for whatever reason didn’t apply NRTOC. Maybe it’s because the start of the process is almost a year prior, and they aren’t as aware of the fact that there are many ways to become an officer. And as time goes on and we enter these final months of offering appointments, they are realizing that one door is shut to that path Bc they didn’t apply. Additionally, as a person processes through their senior year, and face actually making their post high school choices, NROTC may be a better fit overall. So don’t forget to apply!
 
My DS had his USNA application in early and got an LOA. Just needed the nomination. I thought he was locked and loaded for Annapolis. He also applied to a handful of pretty competitive schools, including the top 3 Ivies. He was shocked when he got accepted early action to one of them. He had been so focused on getting his USNA application and nomination packages complete, he forgot about the NROTC application. When he got accepted to that other school, he realized that if he was going to go there, he needed to put in his NROTC package. So he got it all together and had it submitted in mid December. But of course nothing is easy and apparently it was sitting with his recruiter who never informed my DS that there was a missing document. So he got that done and on Monday got an email that a signature was missing on a form. Yesterday his portal finally reflects that everything is done and I guess it's going to be review by the board at some point. 2 months wasted, but the truth is that my DS should have had the application submitted when he put in the one for USNA. Now we have to hope it's not too late to secure an NROTC Scholarship is he decides not to go to Annapolis.

The waiting starts for real now for him....
 
Good wisdom there. The NROTC process is administered completely differently that USNA. We had three turnovers in recruiters (they get reassigned, etc) assigned to him. And each changeover also had lost files. So school teachers had to fill out their online stuff over. And over. And over. My point, is that NROTC scholarship process requires a great deal of prudence and attention. At least in our case and many others I have read about on the forums. Which is good training!! Glad your son got it in on time!! Whew!
 
As a prior Service Academy graduate, Naval Reserve officer, and current federal employee, I've spent 32 years in government service. I'm fully familiar with things getting lost, overlooked, or sometimes just plain ignored. Hopefully it works out ok for my DS.
 
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