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dunninla said:
I'm not sure how you could know this, as I don't think you're a woman member of the Coast Guard, nor a family member who would refer to their daughter/sister/mother as a Coast Guardsman . You are right, I don't know either -- but judging from what women have written in the past about being called by a name that ends in man, I suspect it bothers more people than you know.

P.S. Just about any new term sounds stupid, I'll give you that. The PC switch from Oriental to Asian American sounded stilted and artificial at first. I wasn't around for the switch from ******/Nigra/***** (depending on dialect) to African American or Black, but it's the same deal... a new term seems forced and artificial, and evokes a visceral reaction... "what's wrong with the old term??"

This is getting very close to sounding like an episode of All in the Family, Archie.

/signed/ Meathead
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How do I know? Um..... because beyond 30% of my class being female, I served, in uniform, with them for 11 years. Never heard "man I wish we were called something different". I did hear "why do I have to buy a male AND female combo cover" as cadets and "I hate the female trou". Certainly don't remember the retiring 3 star admiral (the Vice Commandant) bring it up, nor the current female vice commandant.... not have I heard it from a two star retired female admiral (and my facebook friend).

I'm sorry my full experience with the topic doesn't come from these boards or a google search. That's just me I guess. :rolleyes: Perhaps if I hasn't so close to it at one point, I could make more uneducated assumptions. Haven't heard too many female midshipmen complaining about it either.... have you?

Hold on, let me ask my fiancee (female) who serves in uniform..... nope, she has no problem with it either.
 
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I served, in uniform, with them for 11 years.
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Help me out here - not sure how good my math skills are --
Working backward......Your class ring says 2006 and you separated 5 years after graduation. 5 years plus 4 years at CGA = 9 years.

Didn't realize your fiance was in the Coast Guard....thought she served in the US Public Health Service.
 
No no JAM, your math is great. Not sure how I made that mistake. You are correct, it was 9 years, not 11. Maybe I just thought "2011....'11.....11".

You are correct though, July 1, 2002 - June 30, 2011.

Somehow still made it past that first year at the academy though, with is more than some can say, eh?

My fiancee is an officer in the U.S. Public Health Service correct, but as a female in a uniformed service she does in fact have an opinion (as do apparently males and females who have never served in uniform).

That said, no fear, I also asked a few female officers in the Coast Guard, one female Coast Guard chief, and one parent of a female Coast Guard cadet.... haven't heard ANY issues yet. I suspect they wouldn't be afraid to tell a male civilian if they did have an issue, however.
 
LineInTheSand said:
No no JAM, your math is great. Not sure how I made that mistake. You are correct, it was 9 years, not 11. Maybe I just thought "2011....'11.....11".

You are correct though, July 1, 2002 - June 30, 2011.

Somehow still made it past that first year at the academy though, with is more than some can say, eh?

My fiancee is an officer in the U.S. Public Health Service correct, but as a female in a uniformed service she does in fact have an opinion (as do apparently males and femalesThat said, no fear, I also asked who have never served in uniform).

a few female officers in the Coast Guard, one female Coast Guard chief, and one parent of a female Coast Guard cadet.... haven't heard ANY issues yet. I suspect they wouldn't be afraid to tell a male civilian if they did have an issue, however.
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My State had thirteen appointed and accepted to my Mid's class. They all accepted and eventually did Plebe Summer I think five graduated in 2011. The attrition rate may be a lot higher than they published.
 
AF6872 said:
The attrition rate may be a lot higher than they published.
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Well, may things are possible, but not many are likely. it's not rocket science. There is a number published of those starting as freshmen, and a number published of those who graduate and are commissioned. It's simple arithmatic, so the only way to misrepresent the attrition rate is to either understate the starting class, or overstate the graduating class... neither of which is likely.
 
Gotta agree. The Supes seem to see this as cause for "braggin' rights" whether it is lower than ever before (Fowler's claim to fame") or it's on the rise getting it back where it belongs when we are as tough, demanding, and honest as we're called to be (Miller's message). Pick your poison. But in any case it's no big secret.

And beyond semester visitors from the other SAs, might we all agree, ain't no transfers. And so it is. We all know the number entering I Day. We all know the number graduating and receiving commissions. 1202(10 didn't show or left before the ceremony)/1006 graduating in 2011.
 
My son will graduate from USMMA this year. He told me over Thanksgiving they lost about 33% of the graduating class of 2012.
 
I confess. I question that. Don't know if you've discovered yet, but students are often among the last to know the real story. :smile: USMMA does not have a 67% grad rate, I'm betting. Any takers?
 
Whistle Pig said:
I confess. I question that. Don't know if you've discovered yet, but students are often among the last to know the real story. :smile: USMMA does not have a 67% grad rate, I'm betting. Any takers?
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I'll take that bet.. My son's KP class a few years back had a 65% graduation rate over four years. I think that's been pretty close to normal. If you include the kids that participate in the '5 year plan' (which depends on the number of 'set backs' allowed) you will see it around 70%..
 
I'll take Whistle Pig's bet as well. Round up to 70% and your probably on target.
USMMA has a tough curriculum but the rewards seem worth it.
 
Most recent figure I saw was 77% ... Show me where it's in writing/print. I can show you mine but that's not the bet. And won't be any "rounding up."

Put your sources where your words have led this discussion.
 
Whistle Pig said:
I confess. I question that. Don't know if you've discovered yet, but students are often among the last to know the real story. :smile: USMMA does not have a 67% grad rate, I'm betting. Any takers?
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I'm guessing it's likely somewhere near 67%. A trimester is brutal.

Also, those numbers would be near my class number. We started with just over 300 (I have the shirt with all the names, minus two who showed up a day later), and we graduated with 205. That's pretty close to 33%.
 
Objee said:
It's not real...I think LITS was just making the point that everyone here for Swab Summer won't be here for graduation, but most who are around for 2/c Summer Training are. The Class of 2011's graduate rate was 82% and the Academy's goal is 80% for future classes. Even his class graduated 72% so not sure where his "1/3 of them" data comes from since I believe our graduation rate hasn't been below 70% since the late 90's.
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LITS you keep quoting the 1/3 number but admissions at USCGA's official numbers differ somewhat. Any idea why your numbers and the official numbers differ?
 
I have no idea why they would differ. Unless I'm counting the wrong set of people, I just looked on my shirt (with all the names on it) and counted about 305 names minus the two from the wait list.... so more likely 307. Then I pulled out the Tide Rips... counted the R-Day photo... I get 290 PLUS the two who arrived two days later.... 292.. THEN I counted the billet list for my class... at 203.

It's not an exact science, but that would put us at:

By the Shirt numbers: 66.1%
By the Tide Rips count: 69.5%


I'm guessing the Tide Rips count is more accurate than the Shirt count, as it involves my classmates being photographed on R-Day (minus my two classmates who came a day or two later) AND involves the final billet list.

Maybe CGA admissions is using different numbers, that I'm not sure of, but if I go off of the stuff I have... it's between 66% and 70%... and that's 2006.
 
I just re-read what you posted Objee saying. If he said my class was 72% I'm sure that could be the case... it would account for LITS' horrible counting...

The 1/3 number I kept using is likely a bad case of rounding to whole, round numbers... like saying "we had about 300 folks" and "we graduated with about 200 folks".

When you're dealing with hundreds instead of thousands.... those 10s and 20s carry a little more weight.
 
Whistle Pig said:
Most recent figure I saw was 77% ... Show me where it's in writing/print. I can show you mine but that's not the bet. And won't be any "rounding up."

Put your sources where your words have led this discussion.
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Okay here are the numbers Kings Point graduated vs admitted from 2001 to 2011. The numbers all come from various published sources.
2001 - 199/266
2002 - 176/264
2003 - 198/274
2004 - 180/278
2005 - 218/283
2006 - 202/283
2007 - 210/315
2008 - 213/287
2009 - 197/283
2010 - 198/268
2011 - 206/279

for the last 11 years that's 2197/3080 or 71.33%.. you can round it any way you like.
 
LineInTheSand said:
I just re-read what you posted Objee saying. If he said my class was 72% I'm sure that could be the case... it would account for LITS' horrible counting...

The 1/3 number I kept using is likely a bad case of rounding to whole, round numbers... like saying "we had about 300 folks" and "we graduated with about 200 folks".

When you're dealing with hundreds instead of thousands.... those 10s and 20s carry a little more weight.
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I am not trying to call you out on this just curious as to the difference. Any chance the official numbers start with those who survive swab summer rather than the R-day numbers?
 
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