NWL ---> Acceptence when?

[A1Janitor]

I understand the more nominations one receives, the better the odds of an appointment. However, one MOC office encouraged DC to "let him know" if he receives a nom from another source. In theory, I am in total agreement: spread the wealth around. My DC only needs one nom, so if he gets one, why not shut down other sources to allow for another applicant to secure a nom. Yet, if multiple noms increase my DCs chances...
Any thoughts on this?

Apply to all. Your competition is.

If they don’t want to double up noms, that’s their business.

 

[SeePower]

So, in effect, don't shut another down if one is secured, @A1Janitor?

 

[A1Janitor]

So, in effect, don't shut another down if one is secured, @A1Janitor?

Absolutely.

@MidCakePa gives the scenario.

 

[Capt MJ]

Need some clarification here: Multiple MOCs don’t really improve your chances of appointment. What it does is increase the SA’s flexibility for where your nomination will be charged — giving them room to maneuver when filling the class.

For example, say you have a nom from MOC 1 and another nominee is ranked higher on the slate. The SA may decide to charge that other nom to MOC 1. But you also have a nom from MOC 2, so the SA may assign your nom to them. Or you may only have that nom from MOC 1, now taken, so the SA may charge your nom to a MOC with an open slot clear across the country.

Apply to all the nom sources for which you’re eligible. That should increase your odds of landing a nom. But you only need one nom, and having more than that isn’t necessarily an advantage.

Yes, yes, this is an important clarification. It doesn’t matter how many noms a candidate has, IF the SA does not want to offer them an appointment. Multiple noms do not increase the chance of appointment in and of itself.

Exactly as noted, if a candidate has more than 1 nom, AND the SA wants to offer an appointment, they now have flexibility as to where to eventually charge that appointment.

@SeePower
And - don’t overthink this. The SA websites encourage candidates to apply for all noms for which they are eligible. That is the primary source guidance. It’s expected a candidate will apply for 2 Senators, 1 Representative, VP, and any other noms for which they are eligible. And yes, the SAs know the Sens/Reps collaborate, limit and otherwise do things to tweak their processes.

 

[Capt MJ]

And as a sample, here is a screenshot from USMA.edu:

 

[bethf]

Need some clarification here: Multiple MOCs don’t really improve your chances of appointment. What it does is increase the SA’s flexibility for where your nomination will be charged — giving them room to maneuver when filling the class.

For example, say you have a nom from MOC 1 and another nominee is ranked higher on the slate. The SA may decide to charge that other nom to MOC 1. But you also have a nom from MOC 2, so the SA may assign your nom to them. Or you may only have that nom from MOC 1, now taken, so the SA may charge your nom to a MOC with an open slot clear across the country.

Apply to all the nom sources for which you’re eligible. That should increase your odds of landing a nom. But you only need one nom, and having more than that isn’t necessarily an advantage.

This is very interesting! I did not know that an appointment could be charged to a MOC across the country. I thought that all was lost if someone else "used" the nomination from the same MOC. Does each MOC still only get 5 placed at a time, regardless of if the SA wants them and is willing to charge the nom to someone else?

 

[A1Janitor]

This is very interesting! I did not know that an appointment could be charged to a MOC across the country. I thought that all was lost if someone else "used" the nomination from the same MOC. Does each MOC still only get 5 placed at a time, regardless of if the SA wants them and is willing to charge the nom to someone else?

You don’t get charged to a MOC outside of your district.

The slate winner gets the MOC nom. Others that get a nom are still eligible for discretionary slots.

 

[DSJ777]

I would like to say thank you for all the calm logical feedback provided here. This thread helped our family (esp. DS) who are trying to read the tea leaves and overthink every word from USMA. Our son has an LOA, great interviews, great scores, and the like, but I think the "Appointment" thread causes a little anxiety, which is understandable.

It is a waiting game and it never occurred to us that there is a clear strategy to create a balanced class that the USMA wants (and that our Country needs). The tough hard fact is that our amazing children have put their best foot forward and it is now a waiting game out of our control and we need to practice patience. However, it is important to step back and remember that if your child is still in the fight at this stage, you raised one heck of kid. I wish you all good luck.

 

[USMAZoo98]

Here's a little statistical view of where you stand and your chances:

Last year (class of 2027), just over 2000 applicants reached the point that you are at now (3Q + a nomination). Approximately 1275 candidates were accepted into the Class of 2027 from that pool of 2000 applicants. So you are in a good position, but being on the NWL is no guarantee of admission. This is why competing for more than one nomination is important. It is also why you will frequently see on the forums to have a good Plan B, C, etc. (like ROTC) in the event that you do not receive an offer of appointment to the Academy.

 

[Texark147]

Here's a little statistical view of where you stand and your chances:

Last year (class of 2027), just over 2000 applicants reached the point that you are at now (3Q + a nomination). Approximately 1275 candidates were accepted into the Class of 2027 from that pool of 2000 applicants. So you are in a good position, but being on the NWL is no guarantee of admission. This is why competing for more than one nomination is important. It is also why you will frequently see on the forums to have a good Plan B, C, etc. (like ROTC) in the event that you do not receive an offer of appointment to the Academy.

You are correct. To get a little more detailed, the class of '27 had 1788 3q plus a nom and 1255 were admitted. I think it's safe to say a few hundred more appointments were offered than that. So that makes the chances even better. Roughly only 300 candidates 3q plus a nom weren't offered an appointment.

 

[A1Janitor]

Here's a little statistical view of where you stand and your chances:

Last year (class of 2027), just over 2000 applicants reached the point that you are at now (3Q + a nomination). Approximately 1275 candidates were accepted into the Class of 2027 from that pool of 2000 applicants. So you are in a good position, but being on the NWL is no guarantee of admission. This is why competing for more than one nomination is important. It is also why you will frequently see on the forums to have a good Plan B, C, etc. (like ROTC) in the event that you do not receive an offer of appointment to the Academy.

Should you subtract from the 1275 the slate specific candidates (MOC, Senator, Presidential, etc) to come up with the discretionary positions available regardless of region?

Then divide that by (3q - slate specific)?

 

[jl123]

Should you subtract from the 1275 the slate specific candidates (MOC, Senator, Presidential, etc) to come up with the discretionary positions available regardless of region?

Then divide that by (3q - slate specific)?

I'm not sure that would yield useful information, since many of those appointments are predetermined or not open to competition for most candidates. The discretionary appointments (Additional Appointees) are normally about 200 - 400 appointments and consist of a large number of recruited athletes and minorities, making it difficult to determine how many are actually available to the general population of 3Q candidates.

For someone who did not win a slate and has stats very favorable compared to class profiles, a Qualified Alternate appointment is a possibility. Those are the next 150 appointments in order of merit nationwide after slate winners.

 

[USMAZoo98]

Should you subtract from the 1275 the slate specific candidates (MOC, Senator, Presidential, etc) to come up with the discretionary positions available regardless of region?

Then divide that by (3q - slate specific)?

All I had available to me was the raw data numbers that I shared. I don't have the breakdown per slate. But the numbers I quoted are pretty much right on for the class of 2027. There were more than 1600 offers of admission, so to @Texark147 point above, that means about 300+ candidates offered admission chose to decline for one reason or another.

 

[A1Janitor]

I'm not sure that would yield useful information, since many of those appointments are predetermined or not open to competition for most candidates. The discretionary appointments (Additional Appointees) are normally about 200 - 400 appointments and consist of a large number of recruited athletes and minorities, making it difficult to determine how many are actually available to the general population of 3Q candidates.

For someone who did not win a slate and has stats very favorable compared to class profiles, a Qualified Alternate appointment is a possibility. Those are the next 150 appointments in order of merit nationwide after slate winners.

But your number appears to be misleading to me without taking it into account.

700 hundred slots (my quick guess) are geography related (or have requirements like Presidential) not available to those that don’t meet those requirements.

 

[jl123]

But your number appears to be misleading to me without taking it into account.

700 hundred slots (my quick guess) are geography related (or have requirements like Presidential) not available to those that don’t meet those requirements.

Yes, you are correct. My point was just that if a candidate does not win one of those 700 or so appointments, the chances of appointment are less than it appears on the profile. Of course during the process no one knows when those 700+ have been determined.