Official 2016 AFROTC POC Selection Process Thread

Pima said:
I believe that there was only 1 year that they did 5 Max's. I think they determined after that year doing only 5 Max's was just too many cadets for each Max.
~ They didn't decrease the number attending, just the amount of Maxs.

I guess they are back at doing 23 days again for this year compared to if memory serves me right 27 days last year.

Good luck everybody.
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They had 5 Max's for my year and last year. They added the 6th one back because they increased the number of cadets going through the pipeline again. And 23 days is plenty, they had 27 last year, but they had so much more free time than the 2014 group, there were a few wasted days where they weren't doing much.
 
After the sequester FT was shortened to about 22 days. When it was 29 days, cadets would receive pay. DS told me that he will also be afforded an extra hour of sleep at FT versus prior years.
 
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As of now HQ is not accepting any waivers for EAs, which means at least my det will only be able to send half the FTP. We had issues with medical waivers that didn't come up until last second, and then I had an academic waiver. Its really a shame because all the guys that are not allowed to be nominated would have been above the average for OM for even non-tech selection.

Needs of the Air Force. Hoping things change for a supplemental board.
 
noketchup,

I am confused with your post. Are you saying that besides you, the majority of the cadets in your det. are all medically DQ? Or are you saying that 50% needed waivers, with it being spread across medical, academic and AFOQT? How big is your det?

Just trying to grasp my cranium around your post. If the majority are medical needing waivers, than I can see hope for alternates.
~ It would not be just your unit's cadets needing a waiver, but everyone else that had a DQ.

However, if you are saying that it is an academic or AFOQT aspect, than I am not following you from the comment that they all would have been above the average for the OM, even non-tech.
~ AFOQT and cgpa are a nice chunk of the OML.
~ The RSS is also a player, and that number mathematically will change depending on the size of your unit
~~( ( (1-R/C)+0.5/C)*10)*4)

My point is you can use the historical data from years prior, but with each year the stats can change. Maybe this yrs group will have an avg of 98 PFA and not a 97.

I do get your point, truly I do, but I also feel like putting it out there that they have a higher OML than the avg for non-tech ignores the fact that the way it works is year to year competition, and using last years stats as a bar is a fallacy.

Again, I am just trying to figure out where you are coming from regarding your comment of OML when nobody right now knows the exact number that are being put up and the exact number they will select according to HQ AFROTC.
 
I wasn't completely clear originally, I posted it off my iPhone, so I will elaborate.

Only 5 out of 10 cadets in my det can be nominated, there is another cadet with an academic waiver besides myself, and three with dodmerb waivers, all for what are pretty much discrepancies in paperwork that have to be sorted out.

In terms of my OML comment, I based my stats off comparing myself to a cadet who is in the middle of his detachment in rank, with a 3.3 CGPA, 95 PFA, and 1300 SATE, which seemed like a good place to put an average comparing stats over the last couple of years. Several of the cadets having issues in my det (including myself) are in or near in the top third of the FTP class. For me personally, the AFOQT AA section covered the loss of points from CGPA nearly completely. That's why I made the OML comment. You are completely right that the bar could be set differently, and anything can happen from HQ. I am also a tech major.

If you want more clarification, feel free to ask. As of now I am already planning out what to do in case the supplemental boards don't work in my favor (obviously starts with continuing the improvement Ive made in my CGPA over the last year).
 
DS told me there were cadets at his detachment which received AFROTC waivers for those with incomplete DODMERBs, not DODMERB waivers.
 
As of yet, I am still ineligible. I'm considering 500 at the moment, but I am weighing the options of leaving, focusing on getting the GPA up high, and applying to AF OTS & Navy OCS (I'm saddled down with a poor pre-ROTC GPA from early in college). I honestly grew an attachment to the Air Force, and my det in particular, so it will be a very tough decision. Nonetheless, I want to be a military aviator.

Again, that could change if supplemental boards reconsider academic waivers. I'm pegging that at ~1% chance.
 
noketchup said:
As of yet, I am still ineligible. I'm considering 500 at the moment, but I am weighing the options of leaving, focusing on getting the GPA up high, and applying to AF OTS & Navy OCS (I'm saddled down with a poor pre-ROTC GPA from early in college). I honestly grew an attachment to the Air Force, and my det in particular, so it will be a very tough decision. Nonetheless, I want to be a military aviator.

Again, that could change if supplemental boards reconsider academic waivers. I'm pegging that at ~1% chance.
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Bummer, you should go in and talk to cadre about your options and see if they will even let you come back as a 500. I know at my det if you don't make it the first time they typically won't let you come back. Either way they can probably give you some good advice.
 
noketchup,

Have you talked to your CoC about going the OTS route? The reason I ask is, I have always been under the assumption that disenrolling after not being selected for SFT/EA you would be required to inform the OTS selection board that once upon a time you were in an officer training program (USAFA or AFROTC), and explain why you left the program.

Xposted with Sled.

I also agree that in the end it will be their decision whether or not they will allow you to move onto a 500 position, it is your decision if you want to accept the offer. You also need to remember that if you do go 500, you will need to be a POC for 3 semesters upon completion of SFT. That may mean you would have to delay graduation by at least 1 semester. Can you afford to do that?
~ For my DSs unit when he was there eons ago, the only cadets that were offered a 500 slot were cadets in a 5 yr. academic program, due to the fact that their graduation date would not be delayed. The cadets that were disenrolled were in part due to the fact that their date would have moved from one fiscal year to another. Moving back from a May to Dec. date equates to commissioning in 2 different fiscal year groups.

Finally, I would also say that there is a risk going 500. You do not know the pool size or the number they will take for SFT next yr. If you look at it from an ADAF perspective and officers going up for promotion, you would be considered Above the Promotion Zone (APZ) and not In the Promotion Zone (IPZ). APZs rates are always drastically lower statistically because the board has to ask themselves why you did not make it on the 1st shot out and what makes you better now than those that are hitting the board for the 1st time? Somebody in the end will not get the slot, and every cadet that is a 500 selected means there will be a 200/250 not selected, which in turn means if they allowed all of them to go 500 the are just going to keep repeating the same problem...not enough slots. Somewhere they have to cut the string and give the hard answer of the AF must part ways with the cadet.
~ Cutting it at the 200 marker gives the cadet the option of trying to go AROTC, not true for the 500s.

IF you do go the OTS route, I hope you also use the time to get your PPL. A PPL can mean the difference between getting a rated slot, especially pilot or not. If you have hrs it will help on the TBAS, plus you get bonus points for the hours.
~It will also help you in the beginning of UPT. UPT is a pressure cooker, even engineering majors will tell you that it is non-stop academics + simulators + flying. If you have that flight experience, learning the BOLD will be easier.

Thus, from either aspect, having hours will be to your benefit.
 
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My cadre have been communicating with me on this very well, and offered me a 500 spot from the moment I needed a waiver, just in case. My det/cc talked to me about Air Force OTS for a good while, and we each weighed the pros/cons of either decision. The major con to going 500 is the extra year needed, I would need to complete my undergrad at the end of my 300 year and start grad school in my 400 year at this point in my school schedule.

As for flight hours, I was planning to have 20+ before going to a rated board, so getting a PPL for OTS is not gonna be hard.
 
Also, if I do go OTS/OCS, my cadre will be backing me up with LOR's, so although whoever is reading my packet will see that I didnt get an EA over GPA, they'll be able to see my successes within the program, and a good word from my cadre.
 
@noketchup an LOR isn't exactly what I associate with a good word, but I know what you mean. Good luck to you.

Can anyone comment on this? http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/index.php?threads/afrotc-psp.47729/

This should not be the case at all. Detachment commanders are not supposed to use selection for SFT as a screening process:

8.7. Detachment Screening Process. Screen applicants to determine their motivation toward pursuing an Air Force commission. Do not nominate unqualified or unmotivated applicants. Do not use the PSP process as a screening process for selection. That is, if detachments believe a cadet should not be enrolled in the POC, make the cut; do not use the PSP as the go/no-go decision.
 
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@derek44 Letter of Recommendation, not the bad one lol. I went from being one of the worst cadets walking in, someone that everyone thought was going to quit, to being considered one of the best in the detachment.

As well, I feel that maybe some det commanders do nominate everyone, especially on a year like this year with the high selection rate. In my dets case, all of the FTP are well-motivated and all want to succeed in the program, I can speak for every one of them on that, so my det commander attempted to nominate all of us because of that.
 
My Cadre said the board met last Friday and results should be out before or at the least on Friday. Good luck to all competing!
 
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