Paying for the Huuuuge Wall

emwvmi01 said:
A reminder to any posters that are active serving military or if you are a cadet who is commissioning that Article 88 prohibits contemptuous speech towards the President, Vice President, Members of Congress, the Secretary of Defense, Services Secretaries, the Homeland Security Secretary and the Governors and legislators of which the service member is assigned or present on duty.

I am all for free and open debate but once you raise your hand than you have an obligation as a service member to keep the tenor high and the exchange respectable. As a young Captain I had a battalion commander during an election insist that we refer to the candidates at the time as Senator Obama and Senator McCain to remind us of their positions vice our own. If you are here and not subject to this then I still implore you to keep that in mind that you are in essence debating off a different plain and to question why disagreements need to be derogatory in nature.
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I posted something similar on another thread where several of the posters had "self identified" as AD military officers.

Interestingly, UCMJ Article 88 applies to commissioned officers only, including retirees receiving retirement pay who never resigned their commission. It does not include CWO, enlisted or cadets/midshipmen. If their speech is threatening or contemptuous enough, then Article 134 would apply.

There has never been a case of prosecution for a retiree under Article 88, so most retirees are probably safe. Although to be certain, a retiree could have always given up the retirement pay and resigned their commission instead..:)
 
emwvmi01 said:
A reminder to any posters that are active serving military or if you are a cadet who is commissioning that Article 88 prohibits contemptuous speech towards the President, Vice President, Members of Congress, the Secretary of Defense, Services Secretaries, the Homeland Security Secretary and the Governors and legislators of which the service member is assigned or present on duty.

I am all for free and open debate but once you raise your hand than you have an obligation as a service member to keep the tenor high and the exchange respectable. As a young Captain I had a battalion commander during an election insist that we refer to the candidates at the time as Senator Obama and Senator McCain to remind us of their positions vice our own. If you are here and not subject to this then I still implore you to keep that in mind that you are in essence debating off a different plain and to question why disagreements need to be derogatory in nature.
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Again, where in any of this was there any disrespect.

That being said, I agree, no matter what your personal views everyone you mentioned above deserves the respect of their title. You know, like not using a former Secretary of State's name as a derogatory term toward someone you disagree with.

And just to add to the clarification:

"If not personally contemptuous, adverse criticism of one of the officials or legislatures named in the article in the course of a political discussion, even though emphatically expressed, may not be charged as a violation of the article."

unkown1961 said:
And why is any critic of Trump labeled a liberal or Clintonite? There are conservatives who disagree with him.
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Exactly
 
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Maplerock said:
Spoken like a true Clintonite!
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For those of you East and Left Coasters, Sen. Ben Sasse is a Senator from Nebraska. He's so far to the right he makes makes Ted Cruz look like the spawn of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ben-sasse-jeff-sessions-julian-assange-law-2017-3

Call me old fashioned, but I have nothing but contempt for Julian Assange, Wikileaks and everything they stand for and everything they've done. PM me when they release anything from the FSB.

Can some of the posters on this forum who equate love of country with unquestioning support of the Commander-of -Chief, name a single member of the Trump Administration who has denounced Wikileaks and committed themselves to bringing their principals to justice? It will eventually happen, but it won't start with the Intelligence Officer in Chief.
 
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Maplerock said:
Jcleppe said:
Well I feel a whole lot safer now.
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Spoken like a true Clintonite! Advance apology to moderators if that is a horrible insult.

What a nation, where we openly disrespect the Commander in Chief.
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It's not like we're demanding his really-really-real birth certificate or anything. No, not that one the state of Hawaii attests to, but the SECRET one, you know - in Kenya!

Seriously though, the president of the US has been "disrespected" since the first elections. Remember when the John Birch Society labelled President Dwight Eisenhower the leading communist agent in the USA? Or when JFK was supposedly letting the Pope rule the country? Or when Bill Clinton was impeached (without a chance of success, but for political showmanship solely) for being unfaithful to his wife (which resulted in 5,000 dead American servicemen.....or was is actually zero?)

Frankly, I'd rather live in a country where I CAN - freely - disrespect the president than one in which I have to keep my mouth shut for fear of the midnight knock at the door from secret police.
 
cb7893 said:
Maplerock said:
Spoken like a true Clintonite!
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For those of you East and Left Coasters, Sen. Ben Sasse is a Senator from Nebraska. He's so far to the right he makes makes Ted Cruz look like the spawn of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ben-sasse-jeff-sessions-julian-assange-law-2017-3

Call me old fashioned, but I have nothing but contempt for Julian Assange, Wikileaks and everything they stand for and everything they've done. PM me when they release anything from the FSB.

Can some of the posters on this forum who equate love of country with unquestioning support of the Commander-of -Chief, name a single member of the Trump Administration who has denounced Wikileaks and committed themselves to bringing their principals to justice? It will eventually happen, but it won't start with the Intelligence Officer in Chief.
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Ben Sasse is not so much extreme right wing as he is a libertarian (i.e. very little, very small, very milited government) with strict principles. I doubt there any tapes of him proudly laughing about grabbing pu**ies. Love 'em or hate 'em, you certainly know where Senator Sasse stands.

Donald Trump is an amoral gangster with severe insecurity & truthfulness issues. He'd switch to liberal democrat in a New York second if he thought it would help him.

As for Ted Cruz, he was pro-Trump, the anti-Trump ("sniveling coward"), and now is pro-Trump once more. Just another politician who blows with the wind. He's a relatively young guy who is planning for a 2024 run (hell, maybe 2020 the way things are going.)
 
Going back to the original subject of USCG budget cut, have everyone heard the latest? Is this 100% sure now? Hoping it is.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/veterans/sd-me-coast-guard-20170308-story.html

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...-coast-guard-cuts-false#.WMrcXfBY1Jt.facebook

So many sites are posting conflicting information, some still talking about the 1.3 billion cut as if it's fresh news (even today). It's really hard to know what to believe on any issues nowadays.
 
Blueman said:
Going back to the original subject of USCG budget cut, have everyone heard the latest? Is this 100% sure now? Hoping it is.
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So far it looks like the USCG has been spared. Seems like the WH Budget Office finally realized that the USCG is part of the Armed Forces whose budget they are looking to increase. Interesting side note that there is still conversation from some to move the CG to the DoD, highly doubt that would happen.
 
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