Pentagon: Same-sex spouse benefits begin Sept 3

Should be charged leave and that's that. We get 30 days a year, is that not enough?!
 
I can easily see this 7 and 10 day non-chargable leave policy being reviewed as quickly as the Drone Pilot Medal.

I can see both Straight and Gay couples having issues with the new policy.

Straight soldiers will complain that they are required to take chargable leave, whether they get married in the state they are stationed or travel out of state.

A Gay or Lesbian Soldier that is stationed at say Ft. Lewis and decided to get married in Washington and take 7 days for a honeymoon will be charged leave. The Gay or Lesbian Soldier that happens to be stationed in Texas can travel out of state, take the same 7 day honeymoon, and not be charged any leave.

It doesn't matter if I were Gay or Straight, that would ruffle my feathers a bit.

No matter where you are stationed, it doesn't take 7 days to get a state with legalized same sex marriage and back.
 
I would agree that a military chaplain should not be forced to perform a same-sex marriage if such an act would conflict with his/her own beliefs, but I do not agree that a federal building otherwise available for opposite-sex couples to marry should be denied to same-sex couples on religious grounds. Such an act violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

Is the USNA chapel a Christian church?

Not an religious expert, but I think it is reasonable to assume that it is a Christian church. According to Wiki, Catholic and Protestant service are held at the Chaple. Not my intent to get into a First amendment discussion, but there are exceptions. My point was not about legality, but rather respecting what is already there.
 
This makes "Stripes 2" inevitable. The Bill Murray and Harold Ramis characters will pretend to be gay so they can get married and scam 10 days of leave.
 
This makes "Stripes 2" inevitable. The Bill Murray and Harold Ramis characters will pretend to be gay so they can get married and scam 10 days of leave.

I think I'd wait for it to come out on cable, but I'd still watch it.

Ramis and Murray are 107, so they'd need some new actors.
 
The policy says up to 7 or 10 days. I wonder if Commanders and Commanding Officers, through their Services, will have discretion on how much to issue. I guess we will have to wait to see how the Services implement the policy.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong....but there aren't Churches, Mosques, or Synagogues in the military...they are Chapels. Theoretically, ANY denomination can hold services in a Chapel -- it isn't just limited to a specific denomination.
 
The policy says up to 7 or 10 days. I wonder if Commanders and Commanding Officers, through their Services, will have discretion on how much to issue. I guess we will have to wait to see how the Services implement the policy.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong....but there aren't Churches, Mosques, or Synagogues in the military...they are Chapels. Theoretically, ANY denomination can hold services in a Chapel -- it isn't just limited to a specific denomination.

Yes, in theory. My memory is failing me so I can't remember specific religious symbols inside the various chapels at West Point. But I am petty sure Muslims won't hold a prayer service in a Chapel with a Christian symbols.
 
MemberLG,

I would agree. However, then someone who wants to conduct a service in the main USNA chapel could, if they wanted to, without association to any religion.
 
At Leavenworth, there were 3 chapels on post. However, 1 of them was Catholic only. That is because in short, in the mid 1800's, the Catholic church had built them and agreed to gift them to the Army. St. Ignatius, if memory serves me correctly was overseen in the building of it by Mrs. Sherman. Unfortunately it burnt to the ground in 2001. The other chapel is protestant and Catholic only. Main chapel is every religion. Upon the loss of St. Ignatius, Leavenworth expanded the main chapel, and other religious branches were going to be included in the design.

We have attended mass at many on base chapels. All of the ones that we have attended had the ability due to moveable walls to hide each religion's specific symbol. I.E. a Catholic crucifix does not look like a Protestant cross. In a traditional Catholic Church you will see the Stations of the cross throughout the church and stained glass windows. Base chapels you will not see that accept for Friday night Novena during Lent, and after Novena it is taken down at the end of the night.. The Xmas tree does not go up until a few days prior to Xmas. It is about the only time you will see any sign of Christianity everyday in the chapel.

Additionally parishioners every yr. fill out a survey regarding attendance. The amount of services and times offered come down to demand. If there are more Protestants than any other religion there will be more services for their religion.

So yes, the way the chapels are designed at many bases/posts, they can and will switch out the symbols, literally in about 15 minutes. I think for Muslim, the chapel design with pews makes it more of a problem than anything else.

Finally as usnabgo08 stated, the chapels are considered non-denominational. Our DS is getting married on base next yr. They have been told that the wedding must take place at 2:30 by the base priest because that is the only time assigned by the wing for Catholic weddings on a Sat. The other religions also have their set time on Sat. They must be cleared out by 3:30, so the Protestants can have their wedding service before the Catholics come back in for 5 p.m. service. The Catholics have to clear out by 6:30, so the jewish ceremonies can occur. (Jewish weddings must occur after sunset).
 
(Jewish weddings must occur after sunset).

Traditionally Jewish weddings do not occur on Shabbat (from sunset Friday night until after sunset Saturday night). In the outside world a lot of Jewish weddings occur on Sundays. Is this allowed in the military? Just curious as I have no experience with military life :confused:
 
Traditionally Jewish weddings do not occur on Shabbat (from sunset Friday night until after sunset Saturday night). In the outside world a lot of Jewish weddings occur on Sundays. Is this allowed in the military? Just curious as I have no experience with military life :confused:

Probably depends on the post and the chapel capacity. At West Point, they have a dedicated Jewish Chapel.
 
OK, call me stupid but...What is the "Texas Military Forces" they seem to separate that from the Texas National Guard and Texas Air National Guard.

Sorry but my only experience with Texas are layovers in Dallas and Houston.

It's the "umbrella" organization for the various National Guards. Kind of like our referring to DoD. It's a historical anomaly from when Texas was a separate country.... which evidently some think they still are.
 
It's the "umbrella" organization for the various National Guards. Kind of like our referring to DoD. It's a historical anomaly from when Texas was a separate country.... which evidently some think they still are.

I don't think it's a historical anomaly, rather more to do with the tradition of state militias. For MD, Maryland National Guard falls under Maryland Military Department.
 
I don't think it's a historical anomaly, rather more to do with the tradition of state militias. For MD, Maryland National Guard falls under Maryland Military Department.
You're right. I should have put a smiley there leading up to the "punch" line.
 
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