Petreaus resigns

Discussion in 'Academy/Military News' started by Pima, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. DevilDog

    DevilDog 10-Year Member

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    Do you REALLY think that this type of infedility/behavior has been going on only over the past 10 years, or only due to the stress of combat? Don't be naive. This type of behavior has gone on in the military since there was a need for a military.

    Also, what is GWOT saga?
     
  2. Tigger

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    GWOT=Global War on Terror?

    I am generally pretty good with TLAs, but adding a fourth makes it more challenging:)
     
  3. DevilDog

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    Thanks.
     
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    Hard to believe so many intelligent people can't grasp the proper use of email...
     
  5. Luigi59

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    Actually they used a system that works quite well when you want to hide your outgoing email messages.

    They used a common/shared GMail account where both people have the "log-on" information, and left messages to each other in the "Drafts" folder so they were never sent across the network and instead resided on the GMail server in the cloud.
     
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    Folks,

    Understand this is a topic of great interest. However, let's keep all discussion professional and respectful.

    Thank you.
     
  9. buff81

    buff81 Moderator 10-Year Member

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    My tongue in cheek comment was not meant to bash WP.
    Petraeus and others that have had fidelity issues have a presence at WP. These Generals should be the ultimate role models for the cadets. How sad that the values that WP instills in the cadets have not been upheld by these members of the Long Grey Line that are in the highest ranks.

    I posted my comment before General Allen became a part of this soap opera, but I did google his name when I first heard that he had entered the fray wondering if he was WP grad.

    The story does get stranger by the minute and the networks are eating it up.
     
  10. MemberLG

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    Respectfully disagree, WP graduate 4 star generals are not the ultimate role models for cadets. Only a handful of WP grduates become 4 stars, little more becomes general officers, but the majority achieve greatness in something else than becoming 4 star generals

    There sare some bad apples. I am not defending what General Preareus did, but I also know that he is only a human being. I think everyone makes mistakes. Is President Grant a role model? He had a drinking problem. Is General MacArthur a role model? He went against President Truman during the Korean War. Is General Patton a role model? He slapped a soldier.
     
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  11. buff81

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    I was referring only the specific Generals with fidelity issues - not all Generals.
    A WP grad role model to a cadet is hopefully one who upholds the values that WP instills in them - Duty, Honor, Country. All three.

    I do hope that Petraeus's legacy will focus on what he did for our country while wearing the uniform.
     
  12. MemberLG

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    As a WP grad and active NG officer, I believe General Petraeus upholds the values of Duty, Honor, Country. No questioning of his service to our country. He made a mistake. He did the honorable thing by resigning, instead of trying to make excuses and stay (not to get politicial, but if a sitting President can lie on national TV about his sexual relationship with an intern why can a CIA director stay at his position. I can think of many public figures who kept on doing what they were doing after getting caught doing something wrong. ). I would have no respect for him if he didn't resign.
     
  13. buff81

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    Couldn't agree with you more that he did the honorable thing by resigning. It has been reported that that was his WP background that had him feel the need to resign instead of staying in his position like the others you mentioned did.
    But - he did not do the honorable thing by having an affair.
     
  14. LineInTheSand

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    And I think we can assume that not all CIA officials are the purest of heart. But, then, would you really want them to be?
     
  15. scoutpilot

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    In discussing it here overseas, some interesting points were raised. One such point was something along the lines of "America wants its military to be effective. She wants soldiers/Marines who will readily place the crosshairs on someone and end that life. She wants folks who will drive down a road knowing they will likely be attacked or blown up. She wants leaders who thrive in stressful, bloody, and morally ambiguous environments. And she wants to be able to send those people around the world for years at a time to do dirty business in horrid locales. America wants all of that...and she wants it with no side effects."

    I'm not saying it does or doesn't excuse his behavior. But it's something to think about. There are side effects to this.
     
  16. LineInTheSand

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    Of course, you aren't suggesting the 4-stars in question have done any of that in quite some time....
     
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    I think it's time to re-release 'Fatal Attraction', version 2.0 in movie theater's across the nation. :thumb: :thumb:
     
  18. scoutpilot

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    Glad to see someone gets it. Excellent points, all.

    He's no saint, for sure. Saints tend to make poor combat leaders.
     
  19. Luigi59

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    If not "excusing" it, it is certainly an attempt to justify it.

    The best definition of "honor" and "character" is "how you behave when you think no one else is watching or will find out."

    And no one can take your honor or character away from you, you make the choice to give them away.

    Unfortunately, he made a decision to cheat. And he gave away both.
     
  20. MemberLG

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    I agree, but the best definition of "honor" and "character" does not include never making any mistake or being perfect.

    If General Peteraus gave his honor and character away by cheating, he got it back some of it back by resigning.

    Just to be clear, I am happily married, have not cheated and don't plan to.