Physical conditioning is priority at R-day-Beast

Don't some of the qualities the APFT misses come into play on the ACRT?
 
Luigi59 said:
Just seems to make more sense to use a consistent test for all 3 situations - to get in, to stay in, and to graduate.
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the skills tested in the CFA all show up again at some point during your cadet career. Military movement specifically tests pull-ups, and the IOCT (obstacle course) requires a solid base of agility, conditioning, and strength. Company athletics may require you to throw a ball as far as you can, or at least be able to adapt to relatively weird skills (flicker ball).

The APFT is the army standard for measuring fitness. As bad of a test as it is, that's what we are stuck with. The CFA fills in some of the gaps that the APFT misses when it comes to showing how prepared a candidate is to do well at beast and throughout his or her cadet career.
 
I think this is a debate about the "fine print."

When West Point offers your an appointment, under what condition can they revoke it?

My R day was so long ago, I can't remember what my obligation was when I reported for my R-day. I don't remember doing any pull ups.

I am assuming West Point provides some guidance to new cadets on when appointments can be revoked I.e. major injury, criminal conviction, and etc.

So did the guidance mention some minimum physical fitness standard.

In a way this reminds me of the Ranger School Combat Water Survival Test (something close to it). If I remember correctly, a student could still have failed the test while meeting all the physical performance standard if they showed "fear." So is not being able to do whatever number of pull up not being physically ready?
 
Luigi59 said:
Why does West Point (and USNA, USAFA, and USMMA for that matter) use one physical fitness entrance test for admission (CFA), and then a completely different test once you are in?

Why are these fitness parameters (throwing a basketball, doing a pull-up, or a "shuttle" run) suddenly not important anymore.

Makes much more sense to use the same test for admissions that they will have to meet once they are admitted, and that test should be the same test they will have to meet once they commission and are serving on active duty.
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The first APFT is diagnostic. The CFA judges general fitness capacity.

If a kid shows up overweight and out of shape, don't blame WP for sending him/her home. This ain't Miss Suzy's Sewing Academy.
 
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Not that it matters, but I keep seeing "commissioning" standard. There is but one standard. Well there's actually two, one upon initial entry which is 50% of the maximum and then there's post entry which is 60%.

The 50% rule is usually an BCT standard used in the enlisted ranks. I'm unsure if WP acknowledges this or not, however, all soldiers must meet the (60%) standard across all ranks any other time.

Regardless, officers usually play to a different tune--as they should. We expect higher standards of them and our NCOs. Discretion is WP's most efficient tool for measuring expectations.

By the way, dx PT tests are like freebies. They're used to assess without consequence. A "record" PT test, counts which means you may be "flagged" (no promotions, awards or schools) until you pass or are kicked out for failing to meet standards.
 
scoutpilot said:
If a kid shows up overweight and out of shape, don't blame WP for sending him/her home. This ain't Miss Suzy's Sewing Academy.
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Mark this date......... I actually agree with ScoutPilot on this quote
 
Just waiting for Dad(moderator) to say "if I have to stop this car . . . ."
 
Luigi59 said:
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In My opinion I believe ScoutPilot represents WEST POINT very well. Its easy to criticize from the cheap seats. Until you have been there and done that, I will look for some one like ScoutPilot for good advise for my DS.
 
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