Plebe class 2023

[service1st]

24 dropped according to EMT'S

 

[joriebelle]

Oh my! I am curious though, how do the EMTs know how many dropped? Do they have access to a record somewhere? I'm just curious.

 

[1842]

KP son just graduated from Army Airborne school and Army had a physical fitness problem on the first day.

The class was made up of many E-1's who just graduated Basic and AIT, cadets, RASP, Rangers, AF, Marines.

130 of 568 could not pass the minimum physical fitness test. West Point and Annapolis lost over 1/2 of their cadets. The 2 cadet Honor Graduates selected were both West Pointers and they got cut because they could not complete the runs.

Physical fitness is a big problem.

 

[Korab]

@Austrasian Congrats on finishing indoc. Now make sure you take care of your academics. Academics eats more midshipmen than every other reason combined.

Other than Academics, behavior, and resignation you can probably count all other departures from KP in a given year on one hand and have fingers left over.

Well I should hope so - how many other ways are their to leave - alien abduction?

 

[beyond]

Well I should hope so - how many other ways are their to leave - alien abduction?

Medical. PRT Failures. I mean there are lots of ways out of Vickery gate that don't include a blue tube.

 

[kpmom2013]

A tremendous and growing problem exists in America today with a lack of physical fitness in our youth. Many (most) of them have grown up starting as toddlers being placed in front of a television which acted as a baby sitter. They then moved on to computers and video games for hours on end every day. Everytime they wanted to go anywhere, mommy drove them. Our schools have shortened or eliminated recess in favor of the indoctrination program of the month. When I was a kid, which admittedly was decades (no scores) ago, kids all played outside until dusk, we walked everywhere we wanted to go, unless it was too far and then we rode our bikes. At school (where we walked or rode our bikes), we had three recesses a day, then mandatory PE through high school. Now my youngest DD is at Kings Point. She walks the three miles into town when she has liberty. Her classmates think she's crazy (I guess she gets that from me) for not just taking an Uber. She works out several times a week, but most of her classmates sit in front of their computers on social media or watching movies or YouTube videos for hours everyday. Then we wonder why so many of them cannot pass a PRT that is so easy that even I could pass it at my age. I think I am done with my rant now. Going for a walk...

 

[KP Eng]

We used to walk all the time at KP. Our favorite destination was the Kings Point Park. There was a time that this was so popular some midshipmen referred to themselves as "Park Rangers." I think there were even T-shirts made up. Often when we got there we would do many sets of lightweight curls to ensure we were working both our upper and lower body. Those were simpler times.

 

[KPEngineer]

We used to walk all the time at KP. Our favorite destination was the Kings Point Park. There was a time that this was so popular some midshipmen referred to themselves as "Park Rangers." I think there were even T-shirts made up. Often when we got there we would do many sets of lightweight curls to ensure we were working both our upper and lower body. Those were simpler times.

Not to mention wall swimming upon returning

 

[cmakin]

We used to walk all the time at KP. Our favorite destination was the Kings Point Park. There was a time that this was so popular some midshipmen referred to themselves as "Park Rangers." I think there were even T-shirts made up. Often when we got there we would do many sets of lightweight curls to ensure we were working both our upper and lower body. Those were simpler times.

I wasn't one who spent time in the Park for that kind of workout. Ironically, I usually did my imbibing in my room. . . I WOULD run a couple of miles through the park before rugby practice, though. . . It also wasn't unusual for us to hoof it to Hammerman's. . . uh, I mean the Hicks Lane Pub or even the train station.

 

[4Honor]

A tremendous and growing problem exists in America today with a lack of physical fitness in our youth. Many (most) of them have grown up starting as toddlers being placed in front of a television which acted as a baby sitter. They then moved on to computers and video games for hours on end every day. Everytime they wanted to go anywhere, mommy drove them. Our schools have shortened or eliminated recess in favor of the indoctrination program of the month. When I was a kid, which admittedly was decades (no scores) ago, kids all played outside until dusk, we walked everywhere we wanted to go, unless it was too far and then we rode our bikes. At school (where we walked or rode our bikes), we had three recesses a day, then mandatory PE through high school. Now my youngest DD is at Kings Point. She walks the three miles into town when she has liberty. Her classmates think she's crazy (I guess she gets that from me) for not just taking an Uber. She works out several times a week, but most of her classmates sit in front of their computers on social media or watching movies or YouTube videos for hours everyday. Then we wonder why so many of them cannot pass a PRT that is so easy that even I could pass it at my age. I think I am done with my rant now. Going for a walk...

I think the recent popularity of vaping unfortunately plays an increasing role in this too. I have witnessed some taking out a Juul at the high school right after track practice. Couldn't believe my eyes!

 

[Portable9]

I agree with KP1990.
I was '96 myself. I personally lost 2 roomates during Indoc and 1 guy across the hall didnt make it through the first day.
I lost 6 total roomates plebe year.

 

[Hockeydad]

My son is in his last year at USMMA and was a platoon leader for Indoc this year. He didn't think the number who withdrew or were tossed was out of the ordinary. He also felt there were some excellent candidates in this plebe class. Underclassmen, it gets a whole lot better in that graduation year! Hang in there!

 

[KPButterflyer]

I have heard that an unusually large number of plebe candidates dropped during indoc and before completing indoc. From different "sources", I have heard 12, 16 and 27. While I believe the number is closer to 16, I am positive that the number was much higher than the 1-1.5% in the past. Additionally, I have heard that scuttlebutt from the regiment is that the class is the weakest in terms of upper body strength ever. I also heard this from a different direction as well, and, that Navy may have the same issue.

I know, sending out rumors here, but, because I have heard this from different folks, I believe the general comments although the numbers may be a little off.

Since day zero of indoc, about 40 plebe candidates have dropped. About 16-18 since the first day of classes. And yeah, class of 2023 has an unmotivating level of upper body strength

 

[KPButterflyer]

Plebe Candidate here ('23), and from what I've seen, most people voluntarily quit rather than get sent home. Yeah, part of the reason why a lot of people leave is because of the physical stress, but the major reasons are because of a change in lifestyle and the enormous amount of stress they put on you. During indoc, nobody from my platoon quit. However, our DI's just happened to be some of the hardest and most physically intense in the regiment. We went through smoke/pt sessions that other platoons never came close to doing because we also did a lot of stupid things.

After indoc (now), there are two kids that were in my platoon who left. They completed indoc, but realized that KP just isn't for them. One was extremely home sick and missed his old life, the other realized that he no longer wants to go sailing or go into the military. I have friends in other companies who are leaving because they don't prefer the lifestyle.

Most people will push through the physical fitness and pain to stay here if they want. The regiment also looks to help those who are physically sub-par more than simply kicking them out. If you don't have the motivation to be at KP, you won't make it.

Also, I don't think a single candidate was removed for being too weak physically.

Which company? I'm fifth.

 

[Austrasian]

Plebe Candidate here ('23), and from what I've seen, most people voluntarily quit rather than get sent home. Yeah, part of the reason why a lot of people leave is because of the physical stress, but the major reasons are because of a change in lifestyle and the enormous amount of stress they put on you. During indoc, nobody from my platoon quit. However, our DI's just happened to be some of the hardest and most physically intense in the regiment. We went through smoke/pt sessions that other platoons never came close to doing because we also did a lot of stupid things.

After indoc (now), there are two kids that were in my platoon who left. They completed indoc, but realized that KP just isn't for them. One was extremely home sick and missed his old life, the other realized that he no longer wants to go sailing or go into the military. I have friends in other companies who are leaving because they don't prefer the lifestyle.

Most people will push through the physical fitness and pain to stay here if they want. The regiment also looks to help those who are physically sub-par more than simply kicking them out. If you don't have the motivation to be at KP, you won't make it.

Also, I don't think a single candidate was removed for being too weak physically.

Which company? I'm fifth.

sabevvvvvvvvv

 

[Armadillo]

I don't think anyone got forcibly kicked out. From the cases that I've witnessed and heard about, people just decided that KP wasn't right for them and gave up.

We were asked to do a lot of things that nobody could do with perfect form during PT sessions. I'm pretty sure they weren't looking to see how fit you were, but rather whether or not you gave up. Though I wouldn't say the majority of us are unfit, some of use most definitely are. The physical standards aren't that high at all, considering that graduates are commissioned into the military.

Indoc wasn't that difficult either. It definitely sucked a lot, but it was something that anyone with a tad bit of mental fortitude could finish. It wasn't a test to filter out candidates. It was just a transition period.

 

[KPButterflyer]

Plebe Candidate here ('23), and from what I've seen, most people voluntarily quit rather than get sent home. Yeah, part of the reason why a lot of people leave is because of the physical stress, but the major reasons are because of a change in lifestyle and the enormous amount of stress they put on you. During indoc, nobody from my platoon quit. However, our DI's just happened to be some of the hardest and most physically intense in the regiment. We went through smoke/pt sessions that other platoons never came close to doing because we also did a lot of stupid things.

After indoc (now), there are two kids that were in my platoon who left. They completed indoc, but realized that KP just isn't for them. One was extremely home sick and missed his old life, the other realized that he no longer wants to go sailing or go into the military. I have friends in other companies who are leaving because they don't prefer the lifestyle.

Most people will push through the physical fitness and pain to stay here if they want. The regiment also looks to help those who are physically sub-par more than simply kicking them out. If you don't have the motivation to be at KP, you won't make it.

Also, I don't think a single candidate was removed for being too weak physically.

Which company? I'm fifth.

sabevvvvvvvvv

close, but no cigar.