Plebes Dropping Already

Plebes arenā€™t the first or only heat casualties ever treated by Navy Medicine. Usually the worst part is the Silver Bullet. My son once told his Corpsman that if he ever goes down from the heat, to maintain his dignity and let him die without spiking him with the rectal thermometer.
 
I just read itā€™s the 2nd hottest July on record. I seem to recall the same for my ā€˜22 but itā€™s probably all perspective!
 
Plebes arenā€™t the first or only heat casualties ever treated by Navy Medicine. Usually the worst part is the Silver Bullet. My son once told his Corpsman that if he ever goes down from the heat, to maintain his dignity and let him die without spiking him with the rectal thermometer.
I know the LTs at TBS are terrified of it, or at least my son was. Heat related stuff was often not reported.
 
I know the LTs at TBS are terrified of it, or at least my son was. Heat related stuff was often not reported.
Yep, we had a sponsor daughter out of USNA who had one heat-related incident in her medical history. She had 1-2 more at TBS and was medically discharged there. She had hit the limit for USMC, canā€™t recall exact lifetime cap, but it is low. She was heartbroken. Always a fitness beast, she now has a successful personal coaching business and does Spartan events, tri, etc. At least she can manage her physical environment in a way that wonā€™t put her at risk of heat exhaustion or heat stroke.
 
Every session of all summer time training is always the worst or hardest or toughest. One of my corpsman FB sites has photos with female HMs holding blue M-16 rifles at field medical school which is now Field Medical Training Battalion-East, and I posted a pic of them a few posts up from this one. The comments from old timers range from "what happened to the real rifles" to "there was no time for photo ops when i went through field medical school." Former FMF corpsmen also claim that "today's training isn't as tough as when I went through." I just, in the past two days called them all out as I am a living history exhibit to HM field medical training to include participating in the training requirements conference that shortened the course of instruction. I was the Navy Medicine liaison to Marine Corps medical training. What did we get rid of one might ask? The last week of the course that was nothing but cleaning weapons and turning in gear. That was a waste of time. The blue rifle is the same weight as the actual M-16 that was not fired in the first place. The toughest training in any military course is the one in which the individual is currently doing. The majority of these Plebes have no other course to compare it to.
 
Update: We are not out of the woods yet but things look good for my plebe. The cardiologist doesn't know why he was experiencing these "brain chills" when his heart was hitting 200 bpm but he passed the stress test and the EKG with flying colors. The only remaining test result is the ultrasound to look for structural defects, but we won't hear the results for 2-5 days. Reason I feel a lot better is they cleared him to return to full activity today.

A silver lining is that my husband had a talk with him while he was on the bus back to Annapolis (there was a bus full of plebes on this medical visit trip to DC!) while I was in a meeting. I assume he has arrived back at USNA by now and had his phone taken away again. Anyway, my son indicated that he had been pushing all his reps over and beyond what was expected. My husband and son agreed that he needs to dial back his effort a bit on the workouts if it has caused more than once these brain chills. So perhaps all of this is an overtraining or heat issue. Crossing fingers that the final ultrasound report is fine. Assuming we may have the results for the scheduled second phone call home this Sunday.

Thank you for everyone's support on SAF.
 
@williamsdr3 rest assured your son is not and will not be the only MIDN leaving the Yard for more advanced medical evaluation and care. And that includes all four years there. Your son's case sounds scary to lay persons but when it is all said and done, this will be a blip in the journey to his goals. He's a young fella who will bounce back and move on to the next event.
 
Update: We are not out of the woods yet but things look good for my plebe. The cardiologist doesn't know why he was experiencing these "brain chills" when his heart was hitting 200 bpm but he passed the stress test and the EKG with flying colors. The only remaining test result is the ultrasound to look for structural defects, but we won't hear the results for 2-5 days. Reason I feel a lot better is they cleared him to return to full activity today.

A silver lining is that my husband had a talk with him while he was on the bus back to Annapolis (there was a bus full of plebes on this medical visit trip to DC!) while I was in a meeting. I assume he has arrived back at USNA by now and had his phone taken away again. Anyway, my son indicated that he had been pushing all his reps over and beyond what was expected. My husband and son agreed that he needs to dial back his effort a bit on the workouts if it has caused more than once these brain chills. So perhaps all of this is an overtraining or heat issue. Crossing fingers that the final ultrasound report is fine. Assuming we may have the results for the scheduled second phone call home this Sunday.

Thank you for everyone's support on SAF.
thank goodness!! that has to help put your mind at ease.......I will continue to keep him in my prayers....maybe the heat will let up a little and that will help some!!!
 
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Very few of these kids have ever trained in brutal conditions for extended periods, operating at, or just below their peak heart rate ... it is your personal wall. Every parent should be telling their Plebe to dial-it back in these conditions.

There is one sport, MX, were they line up in 90+ degree heat (helmet and protective gear that traps heat too) to do battle on extremely jacked (power wise) machines over rough terrain at very high speed .... in two (2) 30 minutes plus 2-lap Motos (about 35 minutes per Moto), were the 2 motos are only spaced by 1 hour apart. These are highly paid, highly trained athletes, where their Heart rates are at 185+ beats per minute over the 2 motos. These athletes train to their personal walls, while managing to go as fast as they can within their comfort .... No Camel Back Hydration systems allowed in MX ā€” 3 hour GNCC races allow hydration systems though.
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From what I hear from a lowly company training officer, detailers are working like crazy to avoid heat related incidents...somewhere around 60 hospital visits for 2024 so far since plebes were in the AC for 2 weeks non-stop prior to a dynamic commencement of training. Detailers also attentive to potential lung sensitivity due to Covid history so even an extra layer of caution. Compared to what I hear from USAFA and my classmates in leadership there, USNA is doing way better on most key performance indicators.
 
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Very few of these kids have ever trained in brutal conditions for extended periods, operating at, or just below their peak heart rate ... it is your personal wall. Every parent should be telling their Plebe to dial-it back in these conditions.

There is one sport, MX, were they line up in 90+ degree heat (helmet and protective gear that traps heat too) to do battle on extremely jacked (power wise) machines over rough terrain at very high speed .... in two (2) 30 minutes plus 2-lap Motos (about 35 minutes per Moto), were the 2 motos are only spaced by 1 hour apart. These are highly paid, highly trained athletes, where their Heart rates are at 185+ beats per minute over the 2 motos. These athletes train to their personal walls, while managing to go as fast as they can within their comfort .... No Camel Back Hydration systems allowed in MX ā€” 3 hour GNCC races allow hydration systems though.
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There are several sports where kids play in helmets and safety equipment, many on burning hot artificial turf in the blazing mid-atlantic sun. These are college recruiting events where the sidelines are lined with coaches and the kids are giving everything they have for the chance to earn a scholarship. Some of these cadets have never experienced an environment like that. Many have.
 
From what I hear from a lowly company training officer, detailers are working like crazy to avoid heat related incidents...somewhere around 60 hospital visits for 2024 so far since plebes were in the AC for 2 weeks non-stop prior to a dynamic commencement of training. Detailers also attentive to potential lung sensitivity due to Covid history so even an extra layer of caution. Compared to what I hear from USAFA and my classmates in leadership there, USNA is doing way better on most key performance indicators.

Praying for all. This is taxing on detailers, too. 2.5 weeks left!!
 
Praying for all. This is taxing on detailers, too. 2.5 weeks left!!
Is it 2.5? Did they extend until the weekend of 15/16th. I know the fall semester starts that next week, but not sure if PS carries to that date.
 
Plebe Summer typically runs until just before the weekend prior to ac year. If memory serves, the Thursday or Friday prior to ac year is Hell-O Night. Thatā€™s when Plebe Summer ends, then the real challenges of plebe year begin.
 
Ya as a plebe mom, I really have no clue when it ā€œofficiallyā€ ends. I know 2nd set detailers start soon. And each set had 2 weeks assigned. And I think plebes met their first set on the 18th.

Since they dont have parents weekend at the end...they have those days to mess with. But I dont think parents have been given an OFFICIAL end date.
 
Traditionally the week after PPW until reform is still technically PS, but its different. Plebes have always moved to their ac year company areas, had computers issued, book issue, meet with ac advisors, finalize ac year uniforms, and a variety of other things. It's a lot of "back to school" items. I am sure some of those things will occur and others have already been done (such as computer issue). There has traditionally be alot of down time during that week, but I doubt there will be this year with more PS traditional PS training evolutions before they have a final turnover to the Brigade for "reform" (as it will be different this year).
 
Traditionally the week after PPW until reform is still technically PS, but its different. Plebes have always moved to their ac year company areas, had computers issued, book issue, meet with ac advisors, finalize ac year uniforms, and a variety of other things. It's a lot of "back to school" items. I am sure some of those things will occur and others have already been done (such as computer issue). There has traditionally be alot of down time during that week, but I doubt there will be this year with more PS traditional PS training evolutions before they have a final turnover to the Brigade for "reform" (as it will be different this year).

Is there an actual reform date? It will Also be strange as they are coming back early to ROM. Is there an actual start date for classes?
 
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