Politics - A Nasty Business

OldRetSWO said:
1. Never knew or heard about an OOM boost. . . Strange that I've never seen that before
2. True - I did not march in parades at all from end of plebe summer till the graduation parade when I was a firstie
3. ???? - Maybe football or one or two other sports gets off of noon meal formation but I and most other sports sure went to formation
4. Sweater was great but only a very small number of opportunities to wear it. It was not everyday.

You missed - getting your name on your class year plaque in the N-Room at the stadium.
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Don’t D1 athletes get a boost in OOM?

My son told me they do. He wasn’t complaining - he thought they deserved it.
 
Edmund said:
Rugby, like rowing, is one of those sports where the roster is not mainly comprised of recruited athletes for that particular sport.
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Not sure crew is the right analogy. Two men's USNA HW rowers from our neighborhood and both were long time prep rowers and heavily recruited. My youngest son saw lots of other candidates when he was being recruited for USNA LW.
 
A1Janitor said:
Don’t D1 athletes get a boost in OOM?

My son told me they do. He wasn’t complaining - he thought they deserved it.
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Yes, they do get a boost. Team captains get the highest boost, followed by varsity letter winners, then general varsity team / roster spot members.

Also, being a club sport member gets you a smaller boost as well.
 
OldRetSWO said:
1. Never knew or heard about an OOM boost. . . Strange that I've never seen that before
2. True - I did not march in parades at all from end of plebe summer till the graduation parade when I was a firstie
3. ???? - Maybe football or one or two other sports gets off of noon meal formation but I and most other sports sure went to formation
4. Sweater was great but only a very small number of opportunities to wear it. It was not everyday.

You missed - getting your name on your class year plaque in the N-Room at the stadium.
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They do get a boost, which is nice.

Not sure mine would even know how to march in a parade or do noon meal formation! Never done it as always in season.
 
flieger83 said:
(Snip)….
And then, about 20-25 years ago, the USAFA Sup't and Comm put out a video; mandatory training for all admissions personnel at USAFA (including all ALOs worldwide). It was about the honor code and "changes" that were being made. The bottom line was: the upper echelon had decided it wasn't fair to the current/future cadets to hold them to such a rigorous standard when they had been taught in HS (by society) that it was okay to cheat, a little lie doesn't really hurt anyone, etc. To hold them to a "one and done" standard wasn't fair; they needed time to adjust. You can imagine the howling that came from the graduate community, AD members, etc. All of whom were told, essentially, "tough." And that's how it's been since. …(/snip)
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YGTBSM!

The USAFA Supt and Commandant put out a video saying that?!

The fall semester of my sophomore year ( so fall of 1991) my roommate….we’ll call him Bart…and I were helping out by administering military knowledge tests to the 4 degrees. These were just plain ol’ blank sheets of notebook paper. Bart and I took turns reading the knowledge questions out loud. The SMACK’s wrote their answers on their notebook papers. We were in our squadron assembly room. It was all very casual, no stress, no hazing. When we got done, instead of having the 4 degrees switch their test papers with each other, we thought “HONOR CODE! We can trust them to grade their own.” That was our first mistake. We then went around the room and asked them what their score was.

So one freshman, we’ll call him Clint, said he scored a 90%. They were all excused from the SAR for academic call to quarters. (ACQ). Clint was the last one to turn in his answer sheet. That’s when he told us he scored something like a 60%. My roommate and I looked at each other. So we told him that we would consider that a “pop off”. Some time passed by, and I guess the guilt of it got to him. So he came to us. We told him that if he wanted to feel better about it, he should talk to our squadron rep. It snowballed from there. It went to a full Honor trial, and an Honor Sanctions Board. There is some distinction, at least back then, between “self-reporting” and “self-admitting”. The HSB decided to dole out whatever punishment including tours, Honor probation, and a move to a squadron over in Sijan Hall. I think there was and still is some disagreement among my classmates who became group level and wing honor chairman. Some have told me, “Yeaahhhh….Clint should have gotten the boot.”
 
AF6872 said:
Just consider it was an Article 15 and everyone move on.
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Certainly not an expert in the UCMJ (but did go to Navy's Legal Officer School 38 years ago), but I don't think a USNA Conduct offense falls under Article 15. The proceedings are certainly similar, but delegated far below the Commanding Officer , and a USNA conduct record does not follow you into the Fleet or your permanent military record. Purely spectulating, but I would suspect that the USNA conduct system is authorized under whatever legislation or military regulations that creates the Service Academy, and I know for sure there is Midshipmen Instruction that provides details of the conduct system.

(As an aside, out of curiosity ... are Midshipmen Instructions all electronic now ...back in the day we had to maintain a copy of the Midshipman Regs in our room., and being up to date, with all changes properly entered was a subject to inspection at any time. Kind of a pain, but actually good training for keeping Pubs updated in the Fleet.)
 
Old Navy BGO said:
Certainly not an expert in the UCMJ (but did go to Navy's Legal Officer School 38 years ago), but I don't think a USNA Conduct offense falls under Article 15. The proceedings are certainly similar, but delegated far below the Commanding Officer , and a USNA conduct record does not follow you into the Fleet or your permanent military record. Purely spectulating, but I would suspect that the USNA conduct system is authorized under whatever legislation or military regulations that creates the Service Academy, and I know for sure there is Midshipmen Instruction that provides details of the conduct system.

(As an aside, out of curiosity ... are Midshipmen Instructions all electronic now ...back in the day we had to maintain a copy of the Midshipman Regs in our room., and being up to date, with all changes properly entered was a subject to inspection at any time. Kind of a pain, but actually good training for keeping Pubs updated in the Fleet.)
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Wait, I don't have to keep that crusty old blank Form 2 inside my uniform cap anymore?
 
Old Navy BGO said:
Certainly not an expert in the UCMJ (but did go to Navy's Legal Officer School 38 years ago), but I don't think a USNA Conduct offense falls under Article 15. The proceedings are certainly similar, but delegated far below the Commanding Officer , and a USNA conduct record does not follow you into the Fleet or your permanent military record. Purely spectulating, but I would suspect that the USNA conduct system is authorized under whatever legislation or military regulations that creates the Service Academy, and I know for sure there is Midshipmen Instruction that provides details of the conduct system.

(As an aside, out of curiosity ... are Midshipmen Instructions all electronic now ...back in the day we had to maintain a copy of the Midshipman Regs in our room., and being up to date, with all changes properly entered was a subject to inspection at any time. Kind of a pain, but actually good training for keeping Pubs updated in the Fleet.)
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There was some sort of Wings of Green to Parachute Team Wings of Blue party or initiation thing that happened in the spring of 1992. Alcohol was involved, and if my memory is correct as reported by the Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph, there was jumping naked through a fire. So at least two of the PTWOB firsties received Article 15’s as cadets just a month or two prior to graduation.

As far as I know, they graduated / commissioned on time with the rest of their class.

There was a female 93’er who was involved in that incident. She got to march a lot of tours for it. And I marched a few tours with her that summer. There was a group AOC, a full bird, who would come out of his office near the ground floor of Vandy just to meet our tour formation on the t-zo. He would inspect our uniforms before and after each hour of marching with a Garand. This full bird would ding her….not give her credit for marching a tour because her uniform was “too wrinkled”. Then he would send her back to her dorm room to iron it, so she would miss out marching the next tour. I’m pretty sure I had to re-march some tours over again because this full bird didn’t want to look like he was single’ing or picking her out.

She seemed to be having an okay Air Force career:



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She put on a star and was Commandant of Cadets for a while.

As far as I know, the two 92’ers with the Article 15’s….yeahhhhh, their slates were wiped clean the day they graduated.

So ghat makes me think that I would rather take an Article 15 as a cadet versus getting late grad.
 
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unkown1961 said:
Might have been karma having the kid show up to a political event in his uniform (and he had another photo of himself in uniform holding a sign supporting his dad).
But the cynical side of me thinks this was no surprise but a planned event.
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The pictures/videos of Mikie at her acceptance speech show her with her husband and all four children. All were in civvies even though two are current USNA mids. I expect that was to avoid even the appearance of any influence/endorsement.

PS: I guess it was good planning that her office did its Candidate Interviews last weekend instead of late Nov since this year they hope to have noms done early. . . seeing as she won't in office on 31Jan, this gets the noms done before she vacates.
 
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