President forgets the U.S. Coast Guard

Could not have said it any better than LITS and Sam. What is insulting is that he laughed it off...the Coast Guard is used to not being acknowledged by the general public..we are a small service, smaller than the New York Police Department. But when our boss doesn't give us the courtesy of admitting he was wrong, then it IS a slap in the face.

And Mongo you are right...he has other things to worry about, but his staff should have done their research, just because we are not part of the DOD does not mean we are not just as important as the other four branches.We have a huge mission to carry out with very little resources and very little money. To answer your question, no I know for fact that he doesn't...having lived on military bases my entire life.

JAM, you're right...we are personally offended. And that is our right as humans. What is really annoying to me is that I know you would be offended if he had failed to mention the Army (potentially mentioning something about your DD's service) yet you refuse to see why we are offended.
 
Agreed and understood KP. And Chockstock; in case the post was directed at me, let me personally say that I wasn't trying to be disparaging towards you in any way. Many/Most of my posts, especially when a question/answer is involved, are usually written in the 3rd person and is intended for the broader audience. Not only the person who wrote the original question. My point was that there is a very good reason the president is the Commander in Chief. There's also a very good reason why the constitution can't easily be changed. "Especially in times when we see something that doesn't appear to be efficient, even though it may be constitutional". There are those that think the electoral college isn't a good idea; that with modern technology, we could simply have a popular vote for president. Some even think we should be a true democracy instead of a "Representative Republic". There are reasons our government was set up a particular way. And honestly, our founders were genius' in their foresight.

So please don't take my response in this thread, or ANY thread personally. I usually tend to respond to the "Topic" and not the person writing the post. In the hopes that people will look beyond this one specific topic and look at the bigger picture. Anyway; if by chance, you thought my response was personal, it was not intended to be. Simply that we all should look outside of a particular subject, and towards the bigger picture. Especially in this subject thread. And my comments were not meant to be disparaging to Mr. Obama either. Each leader has their own styles. Some are more involved with the military than others. Some may be more involved in domestic affairs. My point was; just because this president may not appear to be as involved in his role as CIC, doesn't mean that the responsibilities and duties of the president being CIC should be removed. The military needs that 1 person to be responsible for military decisions, that could and most likely will affect others aspects of our country and citizens. That needs to be an elected office and an individual. Not an entire congress, not secretary of defense, etc.. The elected office and 1 individual who must be responsible, is the president. Just looking at the bigger picture.mike.....

No, what you wrote made sense. I was thinking on different lines and, like you said, thinking of historical examples and hypothetical situations. I simply feel that civilian control of the military could lead to conflict between the civilian and military leadership. And no, I was definitely not offended, so relax...I do not think his post was directed towards your comments.
 
I am in no way insulting those who've made the ultimate sacrafice- or even those who've lost valuable time with family, or those who suffered injuries (whether physical or psychological) in the Middle East. But talking to people from my hometown who have either enlisted in the army, are doing ROTC, or my best friend (who is a 4/c at West Point), no one who I've spoken to wants to have to go over there.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

Tens of thousands of soldiers are highly motivated and excited to serve in a place where their skills have exceptional value and their abilities are tested. The fact that you've talked to a few people who are less than enthused is not an excuse to cast an entire service--the service bearing the greatest burden over the last 10 years--as one whose members do not want to serve where duty calls and attempt to use that false characterization as a foil for what you see as exceptional efforts by some USCG personnel to go to the CENTCOM AO as inspectors.

Service implies Sacrifice, it isn't all about the educational benefits and such.

I know.
 
What is really annoying to me is that I know you would be offended if he had failed to mention the Army (potentially mentioning something about your DD's service)

Oh the firestorm that would have ensued here had one of the bigger branches been slighted instead of the USCG. Bet on that.
 
...................... the President didn't even acknowledge it. Instead, he just grinned and started chuckling. Truth be told, it was his reaction that was more insulting than him not actually mentioning the Coast Guard.
Please look up the definition of 'heckler'. A 'heckler' in a group of supposedly disciplined individuals was probably the last thing the POTUS expected. As anyone knows, engaging a heckler is not very professional and most often ends up on the evening news. He did what any good public speaker would do, ignore him.

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But talking to people from my hometown who have either enlisted in the army, are doing ROTC, or my best friend (who is a 4/c at West Point), no one who I've spoken to wants to have to go over there.
Attempting
A staff member did not do his job. Probably a military member. And he probably will suffer for his oversight. To attempt to embarass the POTUS is both uncalled for and is indeed an attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. Has anyone ever answered the question as to how many USCG members are serving in Afghanistan?
 
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It was interesting, this has come up in lunch conversations recently (Army, Navy and Coast Guard guys), and I think it's interesting that Mongo would ask these questions....

When was the last time Big Navy was REALLY engage in a war? WWII? MAYBE if we consider riverine forces in Vietnam. Of course, you have Naval Aviation....and SEALs, and then the few Corpsmen with Marines, but where are all of these Navy battles? With the exception of those few that I mentioned, I would maintain that the U.S. Navy is the least "military" of the five branches of the armed forces

Cutting holes in the ocean off of Korea? Navy keeps touting it's "global force for good" mentality. LCSs? Riverine...it's an identity crisis. Where's the butt kicking U.S. Navy I'd like to see?

Anti-piracy? They're using Coast Guard LEDETs for the boardings. Boardings in the NAG? Again Coast Guard LEDETS, or Boarding Teams from Coast Guard cutters.

That fancy battleship line off of the coast, the Great White fleet, true amphibius landings....are things of the past.

Now a guy pushes a button 2,000 miles off the coast from the safety and security of a group of ships and he gets a ribbon for it.

Don't get me wrong, I like Navy boats, but if we're talking true support for wartime mission, it's Army and Marine Corps with good support from the Air Force. I'm not going to say the Coast Guard has a huge footprint in Afghanistan or consists of the majority of deployed troops. It's nice for the guys who are deployed to not be forgotten, however, maybe that's just a saying these days.
 
The part I put quotation marks around, specifically though the "what you see" part.

Hmm, ok...

I said "what you see" as a reference to SamAca's fairly obvious belief that these Coast Guardsmen are going above and beyond by volunteering to go to CENTCOM and do inspection work. I don't see that as exceptional. It should be the expectation, in my opinion. There seems, to me, to be a spirit of awe on the part of some in this thread that these folks are volunteering for those jobs. SamAca tried to make the dubious assertion that somehow folks in the Army aren't willing or desiring to go do their jobs and deploy.

I've never, ever, ever heard a young officer out of OBC say "I hope I go to a unit that never deploys." :rolleyes:

(This is generally why I tune out most of the sweeping global assertions of naive young cadets, but that one really jumped out at me).
 
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Love you brother, but I don't think disrespect or embarrassment was in the cards here at all. As with most things in life, "CONTEXT" is important. I've told my mom "I love you" in such a manner that resulted in a wooden spoon across the bottom. If Mr. Obama had been making a formal speech or briefing, and overlooked a branch of service or something similar, and someone shouted out trying to "Correct Him", I would agree. But this was a "Moral Moment". Mr. Obama was doing a "Shout-Out". The proper response by Obama, and what was probably expected by the costies in attendance, would have been a simple: "Doh! You're right. HooRah Coast Guard!!!!". Or something similar. Only because Obama didn't know how to respond properly and admit/cover his oversight, did it "Appear" to be uncomfortable. It was a "Shout-Out". There was nothing wrong with the coasties shouting out their presence. I think if Obama would have responded appropriately, this wouldn't have even been a story.

I agree with you CC and would like to add, in Obama's defence, if it's not spelled out on a teleprompter, he ain't saying it or doesn't know the answer. His staff needs to be educated on the separate Branches.
This is very similar to his mispronunciation of "C-O-R-P-S-M-A-N", they just have no clue, so therefore the teleprompter doesn't either.
 
Hmm, ok...

I said "what you see" as a reference to SamAca's fairly obvious belief that these Coast Guardsmen are going above and beyond by volunteering to go to CENTCOM and do inspection work. I don't see that as exceptional. It should be the expectation, in my opinion. There seems, to me, to be a spirit of awe on the part of some in this thread that these folks are volunteering for those jobs. SamAca tried to make the dubious assertion that somehow folks in the Army aren't willing or desiring to go do their jobs and deploy.

I've never, ever, ever heard a young officer out of OBC say "I hope I go to a unit that never deploys." :rolleyes:

(This is generally why I tune out most of the sweeping global assertions of naive young cadets, but that one really jumped out at me).

I didn't take what he said in that. CENTCOM Coasties are doing more than "inspections". Yes the RAID guys are doing that, but the NAG cutters are doing other things.

I see what SamAca said as "these guys WANT to be there and they were ignored".

That doesn't mean he's saying other people want to avoid it. I assume MOST don't WANT to be away from family and friends in a dangerous environment. I will also say SOME do. There is a difference between actively seeking deployment and accepting it as it comes. I think that holds true be it Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, or Coast Guard.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like Navy boats, but if we're talking true support for wartime mission, it's Army and Marine Corps with good support from the Air Force. I'm not going to say the Coast Guard has a huge footprint in Afghanistan or consists of the majority of deployed troops. It's nice for the guys who are deployed to not be forgotten, however, maybe that's just a saying these days.

No offense to those in blue, but I'm still waiting to see this "good support" from the Air Force. As much as it shocks me to say, the primo support came from the Navy. But, that's purely an anecdotal observation.
 
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I don't often comment in this forum cause of time issues but I do like to come here and read remarks from time to time. I feel this thread is going downhill fast. Most of you are in the military or like me have served. Every branch of the Armed Forces takes pride in their Service, and they should.
We are all on the same team. No one is better than the other. Each service has its own specific missions, and "in their mission areas" no one does it better.
As active duty and veterans we recognize the contributions each and every service man or women has made.
POTUS made an oversight, the Chief proudly and I believe respectfully sounded off. It was not disrespect but respectful pride. This thread shoud end here now so the bashing of the services does not rear it's ugly head.

Thank you all for your service.
 
Mongo; you are totally correct about "Hecklers". However: I don't consider military members, in a military group, being briefed by their commander, as even potentially being able to be classified as a heckler. A heckler has an agenda; usually political. The heckling is usually done in conjunction with a political statement or topic that is generally looked at in an opposing view by the would be heckler. A "Shout-out" isn't a topic or statement that lends itself to being opposed or looked at in disagreement. In other words, there isn't anything that Mr. Obama said/saying that was political or disagreeable in nature.

There were no hecklers in the audience. The individual who shouted out "COAST GUARD" was not a heckler. He was simply continuing the "Shout-Out" and the PURPOSE of Obama's "Shout-Out", which was to demonstrate pride in oneself and one's unit and branch. I agree with JAM that this has turned from a Molehill to a Mountain. But not because of what Obama "Accidentally Omitted", but because of what a coastie "Included". There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with what the coastie did. NOT in that setting. Not in that forum. This wasn't a briefing. This wasn't a political speech. This was their boss/commander stopping by as a moral booster. Nothing more. And Obama wasn't reading from his teleprompter, so his "Mistake" should have simply been acknowledged. And him responding to the coastie's "Shout-Out" would NOT be responding to a heckler.
 
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