Principal Nom. denied appointment USMA. Help

Yes, there is another admissions review board for recruited athletes, is is much less enduring and not nearly as critical as far as admissions requirements. No essentially the ultimate goal is not to be an army officer- it's to graduate from west point. I want to go there more than most can fathom, it practically completes me. My brother is an 07 grad, he is not why I want to go...but even he says he has never seen anyone with the dedication I compell. We will see, but i'm sorry to me it's not over yet.

Well there you go you just gave me another break; see it isn't over yet and I'm after it. Okay here's the deal, I have not signed my life away yet for the next 9 years, or the next 25! I am 18 years old, you cannot hold me accountable for what my ideas are, especially since I'm banking now on being able to serve a platoon for the next year and reapplying then. Yes the expectation is for everyone to serve their country with a myriad of valor and diligence, which is my utmost ambition. Sure I said michie stadium in 4 years is the aim, but I am happy to give the next 25 if that's where my heads at. As for now, I'm concerned with an education, concerned with not going in debt for it, and most importantly fulfilling my unremmiting need to serve this country hands down. Hands down. And as a citizen of this country I am hoping youre grateful for mine, as well as everyone else's commitment. Do not think I plan on using, or want to use anyone especially a place like USMA. I'll go there for a reason- the exact reason they would (hopefully) accept me.



Let's just stop and think for a moment. Sometimes stopping, taking a deep breath, and thinking about what's going on can help to deal with a serious situation.

So let's try that.

Stop.

Breath deeply in and out at a slow pace (inhale 2 seconds, exhale 2 seconds). Do that for about thirty seconds.

Now. Consider your situation. In the past, you have made some mistakes. It is for this reason that you said WP disqualified you.

I don't know you, and therefore am not going to make any serious or conclusive judgments on your character. But already in this thread you've "retracted" statements or gone back on statements that you have made, which to me shows that you obviously have not gone through necessary internal self-refinement.

As many posters have already told you, WP is concerned with character. Who you are as a person will not only make you a better officer, but it will also be important to the Army and to our country. So meditate on the following:

Firstly, from the limited time I've known you (which has been all of about 10 minutes while I've read this thread), I would say that you are impulsive. Your first post comes off as just a bit shocking and ultimately I would say that you mean well, but are hasty. You say one thing in one post, and then in the next say something akin to "well I didn't really mean it like that". Consider how you appear to others. Think about your self-presentation before you say something.

Secondly, you yourself have stated that you don't want to go to West Point to be an Army officer. You said you wouldn't mind it, but that's not why you want to go there. That also is a concern to me personally (I am always curious about those others who wish to attend USMA 2014 and their motives behind wanting to be in the Army). When you decide that you want to commit yourself to go into a Service Academy, and when you decide to commit yourself to 8 years of military service (5 active 3 reserve), it should be because you want to be there. I chose West Point specifically because I want to be an Army officer (Army has what I'm looking for when it comes to Military Police from what I found in my research--in case you were interested in my personal motivations).

Thirdly, Humility is important. It is the most important thing on the planet (in my opinion). As a friend once told me, "If you think you're humble, get more humble. If people tell you you're humble, then practice humility to make up for the pride you got from the compliment of being humble. Eat, Sleep, and Drink Humility. Be humble as if your life depends on it." You need to work on humility.

Now that I've done that, I'd like to tell you that the world is not over. Life is not over. And although this is a depressing moment for you, how you respond to it and the choices you make at this time will affect how your life goes in the future.

You seem like a bright guy. In fact, I am personally impressed with your grammar. You are one of the few people I've ever met on an internet forum that almost always uses correct grammar. Not only that but you seem to have an extensive vocabulary (which is generally a sign of intelligence).

I am certain that, with improvement, you would make an excellent Army officer. However, you must also recognize that there are areas where you need improvement. Everyone has their flaws, and it is important that we admit our flaws to ourselves and work on them.

So now that you have been faced with this. Take a stop and pause for deep introspection. Reflect on who you are, where you want to go with your future (it probably was not a good idea to only apply to West Point), and what you can do to improve yourself so that next time you apply for something (whether it be next year for USMA 2015 or for something else) , there will be no hangups about your character.

I hope you don't find this post offensive,
TheKnight.
 
Hard stop, Mayhemmadness27. Take your hands off the keyboard and place them by your side. Now try to relax. Don't say anything.

Appointments to SA's are a privilege, not a right by law or an entitlement.
They are competitive, based on the whole person, not their connections or impressions of themselves or their qualifications. That leaves anything to get in the way.

Mayhem states "but there are certain laws governing the direct appointment to someone like me who is fully qualified. They are trying to tell me there were more competitive people in front of me but this doesn't seem right," You seem to conveniently omit the fact that there are also certain laws governing underage drinking. Doesn't really matter if you "just had a .03" or not. It's illegal, and frankly a very poor show of judgment for someone who's entire life's journey is for an appointment to USMA.

Read TheKnight's posts again, several times. Then read it again and reflect on it in the coming year while you prepare to reapply.

Unfortunately I think you've said too much already and, well, it's on the internet. True or false, it's difficult to retract now. Your attitude precedes you and you're allowing conceit to outshine your given talents. It's blinding. Your postings are thinly veiled attempts to cover your motivations of "I want a free education and I always get what I want". Someone may have already seen it during the application process.

Now I fear for your crash and burn on reentry. Please speak with some adults around you for guidance on this and your next steps. Then read about the people on this forum that go on to other colleges and reapply next year.

A Service Academy will not make you the person you want to be later in life, only you can do that. I sincerely wish you all the best in your future.
 
theknight - great quote from Elie Wiesel. Daughter used his book The Night for Common Application essay.
 
I agree with the others....take a break and work on Plan B. Plenty of colleges have openings still, but you need to act fast! I would first meet with your guidance counselor and get a cooler head in on the planning. See if he/she can point you toward any colleges where you could meet one-on-one with Admissions and Financial Aid. Hurry and fill out the FAFSA. Go by your community college and find an admissions advisor who could help you put together a challenging curriculum that would look good when you reapply. Don't overlook CCs---my older son goes to a top public university and he took Intermediate Spanish at our CC over the summer and worked his tail off! It was an outstanding, difficult course with an excellent instructor. My husband took several courses years ago at a CC when he went back to school for a mechanical engineering degree. His physics instructor was a retired professor from MIT--he had retired to the South and got bored with nothing to do. Fantastic class! The courses are cheap and it will help you continue to work toward your WP goal. Find out how to restart your file and work toward a future nomination. Above all, "keep your nose clean!" Remember, West Point requires a police report from all of the law enforcement in your area.
 
Mayhem states "but there are certain laws governing the direct appointment to someone like me who is fully qualified. They are trying to tell me there were more competitive people in front of me but this doesn't seem right," You seem to conveniently omit the fact that there are also certain laws governing underage drinking. Doesn't really matter if you "just had a .03" or not. It's illegal, and frankly a very poor show of judgment for someone who's entire life's journey is for an appointment to USMA.

I agree with this - OP comes across to me as "Come on, no big deal" far more than this WAS a big deal and he learned something from it. Obviously not the first time, but I'm wondering if he even did the second. Saying "just .03" still means he was drinking, right? And just once, in that original Dodmerb post, saying "Yes it was stupid, yes I regret it" kind of in a "yeah, yeah, leave me alone" tone really gives me the impression he STILL doesn't get it!

My question is how was he "cited" for these violations? In general, the police don't walk around your house looking for a teenager taking one drink. So I'm guessing there's even more to the violations that we're not hearing. Was he driving? Was he at a party that got out of control? How did the police get involved?! TWICE! And I hate to even ask, but come on - were those HONESTLY the only two times he ever drank underage? And coincidentally the police showed up each time? I just have to see this (as I bet WP did!) as a pattern and he only got caught twice. To do it a second time convinces me that WP doesn't mean the world to him. Sorry.

The next thing that bothers me is the whole "I'm a recruited athlete - I don't have to meet the same standards and follow the same rules as all the rest of you peons". Again, comes across that way to me. And yes, I had no trouble figuring out who he was either. NavIss - I also agree with you that he's said too much already. I also know his RC and can tell you just based on what I've read here if he asked my opinion (annual MALO training out at WP in a couple weeks), it wouldn't be positive.

Does this remind anyone else of the Marcus Curry incident just waiting to happen? :rolleyes::wink: Luigi?
 
Concerts. You go to concerts and if you have been pregaming it is easy to get the breathalyzer and get a citation.
 
Ah, thanks for the explanation - didn't think of that one! Still doesn't change my viewpoint, however!
 
A few thoughts . . . the "academic/scholastic" part of the qualification is about more than academics. It includes (at least for USNA) qualities such as leadership and character. Thus, you can be a 4.0 student, #1 in your class, with 1600 SATs and still not be found scholastically qualified. And if you're not scholastically qualified, you won't be triple Q'ed and therefore won't get an appointment, regardless of whether you're the principal nom.

For USNA, one of the things they look at is your past "criminal" (or civil) history. USNA uses a "character board" that evaluates all candidates with potential character issues. They consider many facts and factors such as number and types (seriousness) of offenses, when they occurred, how the candidate handled them, letters of recommendation that may touch on these issues, etc.

USNA (and I can only speak regarding their approach) recognizes that kids make mistakes and not all mistakes are automatic disqualifiers. Major offenses such as rape, murder, etc. are non-starters. Parking tickets (assuming they were paid) -- not likely to be an issue. Speeding tickets - - How many? How fast? Any accidents or alcohol involved?

On that topic, alcohol is a huge issue. Many of the major conduct and other incidents (traffic deaths) at the SAs are related to alcohol consumption/abuse. Thus, a pattern of underage drinking COULD be a disqualifier. Again, it is an individualized determination and, I agree w/above posters that, if driving or other aggravating factors were involved, that could be bad for the candidate. Ditto for drugs . . . even recreation MJ usage could spell disaster. Not saying it always well, but the military has a zero tolerance policy and SAs are very careful in this regard.

In terms of what to do:

(1) Check with your MLO and WP Admissions to find out exactly why you didn't receive an appointment. They should tell you. Anything else is just a guess.

(2) You then need to determine whether there's anything you can do in the next year to change WP's view of you. There may or may not be, depending on your circumstances. If not, this dream is probably over. If so, you can decide whether it's worth doing and reapplying.

(3) Determine whether this issue will keep you from other officer selection programs (OCS -- or USArmy equivalent, ROTC, etc.). I don't want to suggest those other programs have lesser standards; they may simply view the same activity in a different way.

(4) If officer accession isn't an option and you still want to serve in the military, then you might consider enlisting, IF the issues will still qualify you for enlistment. Your local recruiter can answer those questions.

Good luck.
 
Mayhem, from what I've seen of you here and from my experiences at West Point, the close friends I have there, the coaches and professors I've met with that work there, you wouldn't survive at the Academy. Sure, you're all ripped and ready to go and kick ass and be there now, but during Beast and in the middle of the academic year, life can honestly and truly suck there and to keep yourself motivated you need more than a desire to graduate from there and a feeling of entitlement that you should be there. Because the Academy owes you nothing, it will give you what you earn, and honestly, I don't believe you've earned it. My two cents.
 
WOW! I've read some stuff on AF site that says they just have to be correctable to 20/20. Is the Navy different?
 
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