Principle Nom who still hasn't heard anything...

Had to work out of town today. 5 hours of windshield time. Tired!!! Just saw this thread. Fortunately, all the answers have been taken care of. Blackbird is correct in the 3 types of MOC nominations. Flieger.... Well krap; he's got more experience at this than just about anyone else here. He's definitely correct. Matter of fact, I was thinking that if we ever change screen names, "St. Flieger" has a ring to it. :thumb: Seriously, Steve is definitely "Da Man" on this. But like Pima; I definitely appreciate the compliment.

Definitely just have to be patient. Hopefully your MOC does in fact have a principal slot, and that's you. That would be great. But for sure; just hang in there. "You could however call your academy counselor at the academy with your concern. They might be able to clear some things up with the nomination status." Remember; this time of year; S/He may not get back with you right away. But with having to firm up some alternate college plans, it wouldn't be unreasonable to try and contact them. Best to you. Mike.....
 
:redface:

Geez...thank you for the "way overboard" compliments.

To follow-up...

I had a call this afternoon from the candidate I mentioned...seems he's ON THE FORUMS! (I'm his ALO, why didn't I know this?!) :redface:

But he didn't call right away...not until...

THE BFE ARRIVED TODAY!!!

So THEN he called!!! :jump1:

So...ONE down...10 more on my list in AZ...and several from the forums in different states.

Yes, ALO's find this time JUST as "stressful" as the candidates. :bang:

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
We've had 2 early appointments with presidentials, but haven't heard anything yet from the rest. Just hurry up and wait like normal.
 
Hi there....I have a question. Does your DD or DS have a prayer if they are not 3Q'd ? Some of my DS's scores on the fitness test were below the mean. Thanks in advance for your opinion on this....trying to manage expectations here. This forum has been an awesome place to keep up with the process.
 
If your DS did poorly by the AFA standards on the CFA, but is deemed competitive they will open the CFA portal and allow them to re-take it. You cannot ask for them to give you that 2nd chance, only they make that determination.

You may think they busted the CFA, but since the AFA doesn't announce/publish the mins, what you think and what is fact can be 2 different things.
 
Also; the CFA isn't necessarily a Pass/Fail. Not unless you can't do ANYTHING on a particular part of the test. However; when they look at the physically fit part of "3Q", it isn't just the CFA. They look at varsity sports and such also. In other words, if they see that you've been playing high school soccer for 4 years, and have been on varsity for 2 years and have lettered both years, and have other sports accolades; but for some reason you can only do 2-3 pullups, but the rest of the CFA was around average; chances are, they will say you are physically qualified.

This is why the academy; at least air force; doesn't list or post the "3Q" like some other branches do. People WANT this Finite Yes/No, look at a list of requirements, and know that they are getting an appointment. It doesn't, and can't work like that. The academy is looking at the ENTIRE WHOLE PERSON. You can be academically qualified with a 3.5gpa. Or with a 26ACT. Just as well as the person with the 4.0gpa and 31ACT. The academy is going to look at the WHOLE PERSON. So; unless you can show me some place in writing, where if an area on the CFA if below the "MEAN AVERAGE" is 100% FAILING; then how do you come up with the idea that you aren't 3Q.

Point is; just because you didn't meet the MEAN average on all your CFA tests, doesn't mean you aren't qualified to receive an appointment. It depends on the rest of your application.
 
Also, just to chime in, the CFA means that the academy posts is the mean entering cadet score. So in a way, 50% of appointees are above and 50% are below for that event. Also, notice that a lot of the means are fairly close to the Maximums, so the top 50% nearly max the event. I wouldn't worry too much about comparative averages though, unless a certain score is significantly low and below the academy's standards. The whole person is more important, as CC said.
 
RyWalk said:
Also, just to chime in, the CFA means that the academy posts is the mean entering cadet score. So in a way, 50% of appointees are above and 50% are below for that event. Also, notice that a lot of the means are fairly close to the Maximums, so the top 50% nearly max the event. I wouldn't worry too much about comparative averages though, unless a certain score is significantly low and below the academy's standards. The whole person is more important, as CC said.
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Not to side track on a math lesson, but the word "Mean" can mean different things to those using it. For many, "Mean and Average" are the same. e.g Add 10 numbers; divide by ten; that's the average. However; for many in the math world, the "Mean average" is to take the lowest and the highest and the point midway between the two is the "Mean Average". In this case; 99 people could MAX the CFA and 1 could get a 0 on everything, and the "Mean Average would be midway between 0 and 100%. It all depends on how the academy is using the word. Then there's the "Midrange" which is simply the physical middle spot. If there are 100 people who have scores, it's whatever score #50 has. Doesn't matter how many are higher or lower.

So I don't believe that 50% of the applicants are above, and 50% of the applicants are below the mean average. I believe that the air force academy uses MEAN to simply be "Average". Add ALL the times from ALL the applicants who did the shuttle run; then divide by the number of applicants, and that's the "AVERAGE" (Mean).

I bring this up because the direction RyWalk was going, is completely correct. While parts of your CFA score may be below the average; you are obviously not the only person who scored down there. So don't worry about it. The academy looks at the WHOLE PERSON. Plus; none of us here actually knows exactly what the academy means by what they say in some of the standards. For instance; if the mean average of the mile run in the CFA was say 6 minutes; is that the average of ALL APPLICANTS who did the CFA; or is that just the average of APPLICANTS WHO BECAME CADETS??? Like the average GPA of a "Class" is obviously those who are no cadets. If average/mean CFA scores are ONLY those of current/past cadets, then that means there are others in the same boat as the original posters. "SOMEBODY HAS TO BE BELOW AVERAGE IN SOME AREAS". Or there'd be no such thing as "Average". None of us likes to think of ourselves as being below average in something. But it's only one area, of another one area. Don't sweat it.
 
If you look on the chart in the 2011 Academy Brochure, the CFA scores are in the 20% section of what counts for your score. However, there is also the interview, writing sample, and evaluations that go in there. So if you are a little below average on just the CFA but had a great interview and evaluations and rest of your application, I wouldn't worry too much. Besides, there isn't much you can do at this point. Just sit tight and hope for the best.
 
Thank You ALL so much!

You guys are great! DD applied Early Decison to her school of choice two years ago and was accepted so we have never had to go through ANY kind of stress and strife with respect to the college application process. This forum has been a Godsend to me and I want to thank you all for sharing your time/information/opinions. I feel better every time I visit this site, which I must admit is becoming much more frequent now! I hope that everyone's child will end up in the perfect place for them. My DS has been offered admission to VA Tech School of Engineering/Honors and in the Corp of Cadets there AND AFROTC. So he will be happy if that is his path. But he so wants the AFA.....and as a mom, I'm pulling for him even though it would take him so far away. Anyway, thanks again. PIMA, you could write a book!
 
Christcorp said:
But it's only one area, of another one area
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I think that's a good mutual conclusion :smile:
A bad CFA event is still scored and added to the score of every other event for a CFA score, which is just a piece of the WCS.
 
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