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completely hypothetical... has anyone ever forged their parents signature to apply for the NROTC scholarship? Aside from the obvious problems of it being the wrong thing to do, could this be grounds for blowback later when it comes to security clearances and the like?
 
You should expect very extreme blowback at any time. I mean very extreme. So extreme it's probably not called blowback but blown away.
 
bj245 said:
completely hypothetical... has anyone ever forged their parents signature to apply for the NROTC scholarship? Aside from the obvious problems of it being the wrong thing to do, could this be grounds for blowback later when it comes to security clearances and the like?
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Don’t do it!
There are other posts discussing parents not wanting their (minor) child to apply to an SA or ROTC, and the hopeful candidate is at a stalemate of arguments. Best advice given to the hopeful candidates is to be proactive and try to educate their parents and not “argue”. Reach out to the PMS at your desired school or a more local one if necessary, and try to coordinate a meeting with the PMS (or staff representative) and your parents. The purpose of the meeting isn’t directly trying to convince your parents of your position, but to help better their understanding of the “scary” path their baby is trying to go down. Knowledge is king, and dark unknowns are terrifying to some people. Also formulate an outline of why you want to pursue ROTC. Some examples: Why are you interested in serving? Where do you see yourself in five years, ten years? What job(s) do you hope to do in the military? What can you see yourself doing after your commitment in the civilian world if you choose to get out? Is your military service going to be of benefit? If yes, how so?
Again, just a few examples, but put your own mind and heart into it, and your logical passion will go a long ways to help better explain your case.
I wish you luck and hope you can find the “right” way to achieve your goals.
 
shock-n-awe said:
Don’t do it!
There are other posts discussing parents not wanting their (minor) child to apply to an SA or ROTC, and the hopeful candidate is at a stalemate of arguments. Best advice given to the hopeful candidates is to be proactive and try to educate their parents and not “argue”. Reach out to the PMS at your desired school or a more local one if necessary, and try to coordinate a meeting with the PMS (or staff representative) and your parents. The purpose of the meeting isn’t directly trying to convince your parents of your position, but to help better their understanding of the “scary” path their baby is trying to go down. Knowledge is king, and dark unknowns are terrifying to some people. Also formulate an outline of why you want to pursue ROTC. Some examples: Why are you interested in serving? Where do you see yourself in five years, ten years? What job(s) do you hope to do in the military? What can you see yourself doing after your commitment in the civilian world if you choose to get out? Is your military service going to be of benefit? If yes, how so?
Again, just a few examples, but put your own mind and heart into it, and your logical passion will go a long ways to help better explain your case.
I wish you luck and hope you can find the “right” way to achieve your goals.
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Well this was pretty gentle!!

Seriously.....don’t do it. At the very least, how would your parents feel about it? So many unforeseen outcomes. And there are ways to go about this that are both legal and ethical. Forging your parent signature is neither. As a last resort, wait until you are 18 and don’t need a signature. But very good advise above from Shock.
 
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I will add one thing. If necessary, wait until you're 18 and you no longer need your parents signature.
 
I would tell you never to do that. I mean if you needed to send it right now and you parents were going to do it and they were stuck in a snow storm and they say to do it, then I would be okay with it. However if you are doing it behind their backs, it could bite you in the butt depending how your parents would react. Plus you dont want to live your whole life wondering if someone is going to catch on. As for getting caught because of the signature, let me put it this, when I asked the IRS when I fax over my client's power of attorney forms, do they review my client's signatures and the answer was no. Even with that knowledge, I would never do so as I dont want to go to jail.

On a side note, to those who laugh about fax machines, IRS doesnt accept scans nor emails. Honestly the crappy pictures of letters or documents I receive from emails and texts makes me want to buy each of my clients a fax machine
 
shock-n-awe said:
bj245 said:
completely hypothetical... has anyone ever forged their parents signature to apply for the NROTC scholarship? Aside from the obvious problems of it being the wrong thing to do, could this be grounds for blowback later when it comes to security clearances and the like?
Click to expand...

Don’t do it!
There are other posts discussing parents not wanting their (minor) child to apply to an SA or ROTC, and the hopeful candidate is at a stalemate of arguments. Best advice given to the hopeful candidates is to be proactive and try to educate their parents and not “argue”. Reach out to the PMS at your desired school or a more local one if necessary, and try to coordinate a meeting with the PMS (or staff representative) and your parents. The purpose of the meeting isn’t directly trying to convince your parents of your position, but to help better their understanding of the “scary” path their baby is trying to go down. Knowledge is king, and dark unknowns are terrifying to some people. Also formulate an outline of why you want to pursue ROTC. Some examples: Why are you interested in serving? Where do you see yourself in five years, ten years? What job(s) do you hope to do in the military? What can you see yourself doing after your commitment in the civilian world if you choose to get out? Is your military service going to be of benefit? If yes, how so?
Again, just a few examples, but put your own mind and heart into it, and your logical passion will go a long ways to help better explain your case.
I wish you luck and hope you can find the “right” way to achieve your goals.
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My son did exactly that. I was against it at first but he laid out all the reasons he wanted to do it and won me over. Now a year + later, I’m totally 100% behind him. It was a great decision on his part.
 
I believe this situation (for enlisted) is a current television campaign. A young person telling their parent why they want to serve, the parent being unsure, and at the end the parent seems happy with the idea. I understand that isn’t always the outcome, but it is the right way to handle it.

Another thing to tell your parents is you are not obligated to take a scholarship if you receive one, but can’t make that decision if you don’t apply, that way they are in the process and it gives them time to digest.
 
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