R-Day Announcement ‘24 Pending

USMA2025Cadet said:
Got this from a cadet at USMA.... looks like it'll be sectioned off by company, if this is accurate.
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Is this really something that should be posted on an open forum? @NavyHoops @kinnem @TacticalNuke

I doubt USMA wants this broadcasted (not because they have anything to hide, but because there is an element of surprise built into these experiences). Part of the stress is the unknown. I could be wrong, that’s just how it is at USCGA.
 
As suspected...R-Day split over three days (12-14 July) - 400 New Cadets per R-Day cohort. I guess we will officially know this week.
 
trackandfield08 said:
Is this really something that should be posted on an open forum? @NavyHoops @kinnem @TacticalNuke

I doubt USMA wants this broadcasted (not because they have anything to hide, but because there is an element of surprise built into these experiences). Part of the stress is the unknown. I could be wrong, that’s just how it is at USCGA.
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Interesting... you make a very good point and one that is worthy of maintaining integrity when posting sensitive protocols involving our Academies strategic efforts to deal with incoming cadets and cadet candidates concerning Covid-19 screening.

I was curious about this forum's "Terms and Conditions," about members rights to posting information that help benefit other members with valuable knowledge and experiences... as in the case with USMA2025Cadet.

Here's a sampling of the Terms and Conditions:
"Our Service allows you to post, link, store, share, and otherwise make available certain information, text, graphics, videos, or other material ("Content"). You are responsible for the Content that you post on or through the Service, including its legality, reliability, and appropriateness."

Unless USMA2025Cadet knowing violated confidentiality rules on the release of this R-Day schedule... and also if his/her source also violated the release of this schedule... I see no reason for those of us who share our knowledge through this forum that USMA2025Cadet is violating this sites Terms and Conditions. Clearly, it would already have been removed if it did violate the terms.

For those who can't stand the "element of surprise," they are going to research endlessly until they find an answer... as in the case of I. :)
 
That OPSCHED would not be accessible to new cadets or the general public. It probably doesn’t belong on this forums in my opinion as it looks like it came from the USCC planning documents used to coordinate with the actual officer staff and the cadet staff. It generally isn’t a good idea to post daily training schedules, regardless it’s from a training institute like West Point or an actual FORSCOM unit as it leads to people getting in trouble for OPSEC...build good habits now on information security before you get to the force. It’ll save you from lots of hot water
 
If USMA wanted it public they would have posted it themselves. A Cadet is in need of an OPSEC reminder and should have known better than distribute this document. It should be removed from the Forum.
 
I got the schedule through presumably the same cadet channels as the previous poster and considered relaying it here--but it's not our information to release and hasn't been confirmed by anyone official. Such rumors are known to wreak havoc on the West Point Moms and Parents pages, not to mention the security threat as stated by others.

Not to mention I would've loved to have such a schedule as a New Cadet, but you're not supposed to know what's going on.
 
First rule of protecting information, military or civilian - clearly label intended distribution: Secret, Confidential, Proprietary, Not to be Distributed Outside of Organization, etc.
 
GADestiny said:
Interesting... you make a very good point and one that is worthy of maintaining integrity when posting sensitive protocols involving our Academies strategic efforts to deal with incoming cadets and cadet candidates concerning Covid-19 screening.

I was curious about this forum's "Terms and Conditions," about members rights to posting information that help benefit other members with valuable knowledge and experiences... as in the case with USMA2025Cadet.

Here's a sampling of the Terms and Conditions:
"Our Service allows you to post, link, store, share, and otherwise make available certain information, text, graphics, videos, or other material ("Content"). You are responsible for the Content that you post on or through the Service, including its legality, reliability, and appropriateness."

Unless USMA2025Cadet knowing violated confidentiality rules on the release of this R-Day schedule... and also if his/her source also violated the release of this schedule... I see no reason for those of us who share our knowledge through this forum that USMA2025Cadet is violating this sites Terms and Conditions. Clearly, it would already have been removed if it did violate the terms.

For those who can't stand the "element of surprise," they are going to research endlessly until they find an answer... as in the case of I. :)
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My initial thoughts lead to one of those elements in particular - appropriateness. The conversation is less about whether or not the forums allow such content to be posted and more about whether or not the R-Day (or rather, what looks like the entire Beast) schedule has been approved for public consumption. I cannot speak to USMA's policies but I can guarantee you that USCGA's Swab Summer schedule is never meant to be made public, because it is for official purposes - that of training the incoming class. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say the cadet who sent @USMA2025Cadet the schedule was not authorized to do so, whether they knew it or not. I concur with @jl123 that it should be marked appropriately, and perhaps it is. @Casey makes an excellent point - Operational Security (OPSEC) is an essential component of military mission success. You don't give out schedules, locations, personnel information, resources allocated, etc. to anyone unless they have the need to know (something that is also applicable to maintaining classified information - which these incoming candidates very well may be responsible for some day). In this case, the public and incoming candidates do not have the need to know when it comes to the schedule. If they did, I'm sure USMA would happily pass it along. COVID-19 doesn't change that fact. By leaking this schedule (yes - this is a leak of information), the instigator has denied the USMA leadership the opportunity to formally released the information in the appropriate manner.

If I'm looking at your profile history correctly, you are an incoming member of the Class of 2024? You bring up the idea that those who can't "stand the element of surprise" will continue to research until they find answers. However, what you will learn in your time at USMA and in the Army, is that the potential for surprise will always be there and there will be times where you will not find the answers. Furthermore, if answers exist, you may not be in the position where you need to know them - despite what you think you need or want. As I started to dig into in my earlier post, part of going through a basic training environment is learning to adapt to the unknown at an unknown moment in time. You will not be in control, and the Army needs you to learn how to adapt to those types of situations. That is part of the reason why the schedule is not shared. If you can't embrace the unknown in a controlled training environment, how are you going to adapt in a combat situation? The other reason is that the first step to being a leader is learning to be a follower. During basic training, you are a follower. Part of being a follower is trusting those above you to get you to where you need to go, when you need to get there - whether you know the time or place or not. Your leaders will make sure you have the information you need to succeed, no more. Some day, if you decide to remain at USMA, you will get the opportunity to be that leader. Frankly, I doubt anyone coming into USMA understands everything that the schedule says anyway so how useful is it really?

I'll get off my soapbox except to say that I would recommend @USMA2025Cadet remove the attachment from his post, regardless of whether its a violation of the forum terms or not, and that any 2024 candidate or parent that happened to save that attachment delete it. If anyone has posted or sent it anywhere, attempt to remove those as well. We had a swab when I was a cadre for USCGA who somehow obtained the schedule for Day One (our R-Day). They decided to spread it around and felt like they had pulled one over and given themselves an advantage. It did not take long for the cadre to figure out what had happened, and that person had a very rough start to Swab Summer. So, if for no other reason, why make yourself stick out like that person did? You'd be sticking out for all the wrong reasons, and trust me, it's not a good sign when your company's cadre know your name that first day - and it's even less of a good sign when other companies' cadre know who you are.
 
trackandfield08 said:
My initial thoughts lead to one of those elements in particular - appropriateness. The conversation is less about whether or not the forums allow such content to be posted and more about whether or not the R-Day (or rather, what looks like the entire Beast) schedule has been approved for public consumption. I cannot speak to USMA's policies but I can guarantee you that USCGA's Swab Summer schedule is never meant to be made public, because it is for official purposes - that of training the incoming class. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say the cadet who sent @USMA2025Cadet the schedule was not authorized to do so, whether they knew it or not. I concur with @jl123 that it should be marked appropriately, and perhaps it is. @Casey makes an excellent point - Operational Security (OPSEC) is an essential component of military mission success. You don't give out schedules, locations, personnel information, resources allocated, etc. to anyone unless they have the need to know (something that is also applicable to maintaining classified information - which these incoming candidates very well may be responsible for some day). In this case, the public and incoming candidates do not have the need to know when it comes to the schedule. If they did, I'm sure USMA would happily pass it along. COVID-19 doesn't change that fact. By leaking this schedule (yes - this is a leak of information), the instigator has denied the USMA leadership the opportunity to formally released the information in the appropriate manner.

If I'm looking at your profile history correctly, you are an incoming member of the Class of 2024? You bring up the idea that those who can't "stand the element of surprise" will continue to research until they find answers. However, what you will learn in your time at USMA and in the Army, is that the potential for surprise will always be there and there will be times where you will not find the answers. Furthermore, if answers exist, you may not be in the position where you need to know them - despite what you think you need or want. As I started to dig into in my earlier post, part of going through a basic training environment is learning to adapt to the unknown at an unknown moment in time. You will not be in control, and the Army needs you to learn how to adapt to those types of situations. That is part of the reason why the schedule is not shared. If you can't embrace the unknown in a controlled training environment, how are you going to adapt in a combat situation? The other reason is that the first step to being a leader is learning to be a follower. During basic training, you are a follower. Part of being a follower is trusting those above you to get you to where you need to go, when you need to get there - whether you know the time or place or not. Your leaders will make sure you have the information you need to succeed, no more. Some day, if you decide to remain at USMA, you will get the opportunity to be that leader. Frankly, I doubt anyone coming into USMA understands everything that the schedule says anyway so how useful is it really?

I'll get off my soapbox except to say that I would recommend @USMA2025Cadet remove the attachment from his post, regardless of whether its a violation of the forum terms or not, and that any 2024 candidate or parent that happened to save that attachment delete it. If anyone has posted or sent it anywhere, attempt to remove those as well. We had a swab when I was a cadre for USCGA who somehow obtained the schedule for Day One (our R-Day). They decided to spread it around and felt like they had pulled one over and given themselves an advantage. It did not take long for the cadre to figure out what had happened, and that person had a very rough start to Swab Summer. So, if for no other reason, why make yourself stick out like that person did? You'd be sticking out for all the wrong reasons, and trust me, it's not a good sign when your company's cadre know your name that first day - and it's even less of a good sign when other companies' cadre know who you are.
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Thank you... you are a wise man :)
 
The USMA2025Cadet post is still on this forum... so I guess it still does not violate Terms and Conditions... so far... lol. hmmm... I guess another element of surprise... only time will tell... stress!
 
From A Family of Enlisted said:
With this leak being more than likely true of a JUL 13th R-Day, how would this affect the USMAPS incoming class as well? Would they be pushed back two weeks like the incoming plebe class or would they conglomerate them with the class of 2024?
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I think the consensus from other folks on this forum is not to ask questions like this and just shut-up and wait for the element of surprise... it's part of stress management... I disagree but have been put in my place... to keep quiet and be anxious... and my knowledge will be given without my due diligence in appropriate research on my part. In my walk with this forum... this forum has been a TREASURE of KNOWLEDGE and one of the MOST valuable tools for me to gain so called "inside" information. If it gets to be censored... I'm gone.
 
GADestiny said:
The USMA2025Cadet post is still on this forum... so I guess it still does not violate Terms and Conditions... so far... lol. hmmm... I guess another element of surprise... only time will tell... stress!
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What violates terms and conditions of a website and what is right are not always the same thing. Character is what you do when no one is looking.
 
GADestiny said:
Thank you... you are a wise man :)
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I'm actually a woman...but I appreciate your compliment all the same. ;)

From A Family of Enlisted said:
With this leak being more than likely true of a JUL 13th R-Day, how would this affect the USMAPS incoming class as well? Would they be pushed back two weeks like the incoming plebe class or would they conglomerate them with the class of 2024?
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I don't have any knowledge about USMA's processes, so I can only speculate that there may be an impact and it would likely involve delaying the reporting date for USMAPS. I don't believe they would want to run both reporting in experiences at the same time, since each serves a different purpose. That is only speculation though. Hopefully, once USMA officially announces their decision for the Class of 2024, the USMAPS information will be released soon after.

GADestiny said:
I think the consensus from other folks on this forum is not to ask questions like this and just shut-up and wait for the element of surprise... it's part of stress management... I disagree but have been put in my place... to keep quiet and be anxious... and my knowledge will be given without my due diligence in appropriate research on my part. In my walk with this forum... this forum has been a TREASURE of KNOWLEDGE and one of the MOST valuable tools for me to gain so called "inside" information. If it gets to be censored... I'm gone.
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Not at all, questions like @From A Family of Enlisted 's are more than welcome on this forum, as are questions about the Class of 2024 and practically any other topic that is in line with the Terms & Conditions as you've quoted a few times. However, unless someone has insider knowledge that they are authorized to release, most of the responses to these questions will be speculation or educated guesses from previous experiences. I doubt anyone who commented on this topic was trying to infer that you should no longer speak, I certainly wasn't.

You should not be quiet or feel that you are being censored, that is no one's intent. In this case, USMA will announce its decision, in a much more official manner than an anonymous internet forum, when it is prepared to do so. You are certainly within your rights to conduct as much research as you want, and no one on here would tell you NOT to do research. It's refreshing to find a candidate that is willing to do some work and reading in order to find answers, rather than someone who just asks questions. You are also more than welcome to disagree, everyone believing the same thing would make the world a boring place.
 
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