Ramifications of Plan B Schools - Ethics and Morality (UC Irvine)

bookreader said:
@BoLwife - if your cadet was injured *during* Beast, then he'd still be a cadet, albiet a cadet at home on a year long medical leave of absence. But still a cadet, so there would be no need for a plan B school. If the student is injured *before* Beast, then that is an entirely different situation and having a plan B school could be a good option.

My son experienced the scenario of being injured during Beast so I can speak to what happens to a cadet in this situation. The timing of the injury makes all the difference.
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I should have been a bit more careful with my phrasing. I was thinking of an injury before Beast (to where he wouldn't be able to complete Beast) or a DQing injury during. I wasn't clear. Thanks for clarifying.
 
I just want to add into this discussion some information. My DS is fortunate to have an appointment to USAFA and also been offered a Type 1 technical 4 year AFROTC HSSP scholarship. The scholarship acceptance deadline is May 31, a month later than the big day for sending in deposits.

The instructions for accepting the ROTC scholarship include this statement: "You can accept your Air Force ROTC scholarship even if you have already accepted a scholarship from another service branch or an appointment to any service academy. Once you enlist (i.e. enroll and sign a formal contract) in an ROTC program of another service branch or military academy, however, you forfeit your Air Force ROTC scholarship."

It would seem to me that this statement would be meaningless unless it is considered acceptable to send in a deposit for a plan B university; after all, you cannot accept the ROTC scholarship without having secured a Letter of Admission (i.e. deposit paid and student enrolled) from the ROTC university at which you may be using the ROTC scholarship. Apparently the ROTC folks understand and appreciate the desire of a student to maintain two irons in the fire for as long as possible to cover anything that may happen in the immediate month or two leading up to in-processing day at a service academy. This being the case, we will keep up our plan B (which includes ROTC) as a possibility right up until in-processing day. And we will be in touch by phone with admissions at our lower cost local state university (no ROTC) as a possible plan C in case for some reason any form of military service were to become impossible before first day of school in late August. This seems like a responsible, ethical, and common sense plan under the circumstances for our DS who has been offered many different opportunities.
 
Billberna said:
I just want to add into this discussion some information. My DS is fortunate to have an appointment to USAFA and also been offered a Type 1 technical 4 year AFROTC HSSP scholarship. The scholarship acceptance deadline is May 31, a month later than the big day for sending in deposits.

The instructions for accepting the ROTC scholarship include this statement: "You can accept your Air Force ROTC scholarship even if you have already accepted a scholarship from another service branch or an appointment to any service academy. Once you enlist (i.e. enroll and sign a formal contract) in an ROTC program of another service branch or military academy, however, you forfeit your Air Force ROTC scholarship."

It would seem to me that this statement would be meaningless unless it is considered acceptable to send in a deposit for a plan B university; after all, you cannot accept the ROTC scholarship without having secured a Letter of Admission (i.e. deposit paid and student enrolled) from the ROTC university at which you may be using the ROTC scholarship. Apparently the ROTC folks understand and appreciate the desire of a student to maintain two irons in the fire for as long as possible to cover anything that may happen in the immediate month or two leading up to in-processing day at a service academy. This being the case, we will keep up our plan B (which includes ROTC) as a possibility right up until in-processing day. And we will be in touch by phone with admissions at our lower cost local state university (no ROTC) as a possible plan C in case for some reason any form of military service were to become impossible before first day of school in late August. This seems like a responsible, ethical, and common sense plan under the circumstances for our DS who has been offered many different opportunities.
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ROTC and Admissions are two separate entities. The policies of one cannot unilaterally be applied to the other.

The professional organization I referred to earlier is the National Association of College Admissions Counselors (NACAC) - virtually all colleges and high schools are institutional members. Most admissions officers and many high school college counselors are individual members. Searching the institutional members directory reveals five surprises: USMA, USNA, USAFA, USCGA, and USMMA.

Excerpts from their ethical guidelines: Statement of Principles of Good Practice: NACAC’s Code of Ethics and Professional Practices
  • .... it is unethical to: maintain an active enrollment deposit or the equivalent at more than one US college....
  • Deposits: Enrollment deposits are the fees or written commitments that confirm a student’s intention to enroll.
  • Colleges: Colleges are two-year or four-year post secondary institutions that enroll undergraduates, grant degrees, and are accredited and not-for-profit.
 
Much to the dismay of all involved in this thread I am resurrecting it from the dead. 6 short days to RDay and my daughter has made it through a very physical Club and HS soccer season without any serious injuries. (Accomplished her Goal of leading her HS team to its first State Championship). We opted for plan B insurance to first choice civilian school due to the frequency of ACL/Concussion injuries at the level she was playing. At this point we are wondering if she is injured during beast or Mass Athletics when she tries out for the soccer team will her spot at the academy be guaranteed? Say she breaks a leg during mass athletics will they let it heal and continue at the Academy the same year? What if she blows out an ACL? If it is a serious injury requiring months of rehab will she be turnbacked for the next class or will she have to go through the admissions process again? I know these are a lot of specific questions and I am hoping someone has first hand knowledge of situations like this and how they played out. A graduating firstie told us at founders day that your spot is not guaranteed for the next class if you are injured during beast. I want to notify the civilian school that my daughter is attending USMA but my wife thinks it prudent we wait until Beast is over. That would be very close to classes starting at the civilian school. I am not looking for ethics an evaluation just looking for fact based implications of the scenarios I posted. Appreciate any insight.
 
Three years ago my son reported for RDay. During beast, he was injured and needed surgery (this was done at Keller Hosp on post). He started PT at Keller and was then sent home to continue his PT (for a total of 6 months. the PT was organized by someone at WP.). He had a one year medical leave of absence. We brought him to Keller periodically for them to evaluate his medical progress/healing. When the Dr gave him the ok, then he could prepare to pass the APFT. He needed to pass the APFT in order to enter the next class at WP. Since he did not complete beast the first time, he had to report for Rday the following summer and redo beast. Beast has to be completed before taking academic classes.

If you are injured before beast, then you have to reapply. If you are injured after Rday, you do not have to reapply although you do need to be medically cleared and you have to pass the APFT.

The firstie you spoke with is sorta correct. You are not guaranteed a spot - the deal is that you *must* be medically cleared and you *must* pass the APFT. Do those two things and you are fine.

That said, you may want to bubble wrap her for the next few days. :)
See you on RDay!!
 
bookreader said:
Three years ago my son reported for RDay. During beast, he was injured and needed surgery (this was done at Keller Hosp on post). He started PT at Keller and was then sent home to continue his PT (for a total of 6 months. the PT was organized by someone at WP.). He had a one year medical leave of absence. We brought him to Keller periodically for them to evaluate his medical progress/healing. When the Dr gave him the ok, then he could prepare to pass the APFT. He needed to pass the APFT in order to enter the next class at WP. Since he did not complete beast the first time, he had to report for Rday the following summer and redo beast. Beast has to be completed before taking academic classes.

If you are injured before beast, then you have to reapply. If you are injured after Rday, you do not have to reapply although you do need to be medically cleared and you have to pass the APFT.

The firstie you spoke with is sorta correct. You are not guaranteed a spot - the deal is that you *must* be medically cleared and you *must* pass the APFT. Do those two things and you are fine.

That said, you may want to bubble wrap her for the next few days. :)
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Bookreader thank you for imparting first hand knowledge! This actually is reassuring. I am glad New Cadets have the opportunity to join the next class if injured as long they get cleared through Dodmerb (and pass the APFT) I think we will be safe to notify the civilian school as soon as we drop her at BEAST. That gives them plenty of time to fill the spot with a wait list applicant.
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