Re-applying to the next board after being denied

[GWU PNS (emeritus)]

I have to wait to get back to my college computer that has that info. But there is a conversion table somewhere out there.

 

[COFalcon]

You are close to the ground truth. Each board ranks independently of the others. Over time as the boards are held, we get an idea of where the cut line will settle out. But it takes at least 3 months or so to start seeing that. And last year, perhaps because of covid, there was a deluge of applications submitted in January.

Now, why recruiters tell people to hurry and submit? Perhaps they think we keep scoring those records but that just isn't the case. I really think they tell people to hurry because they don't want to deal with the big crunch at the last minute.

New to this forum and trying to understand the board process. Do applicants get multiple looks from subsequent boards? Or is it pretty much a one and done type of deal? Thanks!

 

[GWU PNS (emeritus)]

New to this forum and trying to understand the board process. Do applicants get multiple looks from subsequent boards? Or is it pretty much a one and done type of deal? Thanks!

For scoring purposes, it is one and done. As the boards proceed each month, the picture starts to become clearer and some of the alternate scores will start to be above the "cut line". This is why some here on the forums will mention that their application went in front of an October or November board, but they get notified in January or February that they were selected.

The one exception deals with MSI applicants. They are scored and considered for the NROTC national scholarships, and then there is a separate board in May for the MSI scholarships.

There is a method to the madness, but it is hard to convey on a message forum.

 

[COFalcon]

For scoring purposes, it is one and done. As the boards proceed each month, the picture starts to become clearer and some of the alternate scores will start to be above the "cut line". This is why some here on the forums will mention that their application went in front of an October or November board, but they get notified in January or February that they were selected.

The one exception deals with MSI applicants. They are scored and considered for the NROTC national scholarships, and then there is a separate board in May for the MSI scholarships.

There is a method to the madness, but it is hard to convey on a message forum.

Thank you for this explanation!

 

[NavyHopefulMom]

I'm back with yet another question on this topic. The recruiter for our area is strongly urging our son to submit his application for the first board because he says there are only 12 completed applications for this entire area (Colorado, Wyoming, etc) and last year everyone who applied to the first board from this region was awarded a scholarship. Our son is now confused because if he's going to apply to the October board he has to pull everything together ASAP, and his SAT math score still isn't where it needs to be. He's poised to do much better on the October 1st SAT (doing well on the practice tests), so we've been thinking based on what we've learned here (thank you) that it's best to wait for the second board. But now he's very confused because the recruiter is pushing him and telling him his chances are high even with the lower math score because of where we live. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you.

 

[GWU PNS (emeritus)]

Just as a reference point from last year, on the first board there were 26 selections. The tiers and universities were as follows:

1 UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME
2 UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA
1 THE CITADEL
2 VIRGINIA MILITARY INSTITUTE
2 UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI
2 HARVARD UNIVERSITY
1 UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA
2 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
1 MASSACHUSETTS INST OF TECHNOLOGY
1 EMBRY-RIDDLE AERONAUTICAL UNIVERSITY
2 UNIVERSITY OF SAN DIEGO
2 TEXAS A AND M UNIVERSITY
2 EMBRY-RIDDLE AERONAUTICAL UNIVERSITY
2 YALE UNIVERSITY
3 UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA
2 EMBRY-RIDDLE AERONAUTICAL UNIVERSITY
1 MASSACHUSETTS INST OF TECHNOLOGY
2 STANFORD UNIVERSITY
2 VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY
1 UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO
1 MASSACHUSETTS INST OF TECHNOLOGY
2 UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME
1 VIRGINIA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE
1 TEXAS A AND M UNIVERSITY
1 TEXAS A AND M UNIVERSITY
2 STANFORD UNIVERSITY

Note the number of Tiers 1 and 2 compared to Tier 3.

There were more than 80 who wound up as alternates or non selects.

I can't speak as to why specific recruiters push for early submission ( but we are getting near the end of the month when their quotas come due).

At the end of the day, each applicant makes their own decision when to submit their application. If the package is high quality, the system will recognize that. If not, the system will recognize that as well.

 

[NavyHopefulMom]

Thank you very much. That's very helpful.

 

[ProudDad17]

@GWU PNS , correct me if I'm wrong, but for NROTC scholarship, where you live has no bearing on whether you are awarded a scholarship.

 

[GWU PNS (emeritus)]

@GWU PNS , correct me if I'm wrong, but for NROTC scholarship, where you live has no bearing on whether you are awarded a scholarship.

You are correct. The one thing location tends to drive is who gets assigned as your recruiting officer. And some recruiting regions are more competitive than others. So, there are people who will get hounded by their recruiter to get a package submitted because it helps their recruiting quotas, where other recruiters have plenty of people and aren't that motivated to close the deal on a scholarship applicant.

The Navy is like a two headed dragon where the recruiting side does all the sales pitches, and the NROTC PNS folks are the operational side that makes it all work out somehow.

Or as one of my fellow PNS folks explained, recruiters are like real estate agents telling you what a lovely home you are buying......PNS people are the loan underwriters telling you you're in a flood zone and need extra insurance.

 

[Heatherg21]

DS went through this in the fall of 2019. He did not have an SAT math at 700. His SAT was just under 1300. He did have a very good math teacher recommendation and a 4.0.

He was encouraged by his regional counselor (sorry if the wrong term) to hurry and get his application in. He did and was awarded Tier 1 from the first board. He also said the interview was the toughest he had.

The advantage to him, was when he went to the nomination interviews, and he was asked what his Plan B was, he could not only say he intended to serve whether at an SA or not, he could say he was awarded the scholarship and had been granted admission to the University of his choice.

In the case of DS, he had already taken the SAT multiple times and consistently scored the same. ACT was a little bit better.

If one thinks that they can significantly increase their test scores, it would make sense to wait to increase the overall strength of their application.