Reapplying - HELP ASAP
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I'm sure it's interesting information but it really doesn't matter. What matters is where you stand on your MOC's nomination slate, and whether or not you're academically and medically qualified. If you've proven you can handle the course work and your SATs are acceptable then the academically is addressed. Only your best effort will handle beating your competition. The last is up to genetics, God, and fate.
No, I think there is a formula of numbers that will be "good enough."
The formula is SAT/ACT scores + High School Ranking + College GPA + Leadership + Sports + SOE + CFA + few other things.
Score higher in your candidate score than your competitors in your competition category = good enough
The competition is not to get certain candidate score, the competition is to get the best candidate score within your nomination category.
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Well said. That's the bottom line which is why I have felt OP is asking all the wrong questions, or perhaps looking at it in the wrong way.
With all due respect, can you elaborate?
USNA1985 has gone on the record stating that college GPA is the most important aspect of my application, or at least I've been led to believe so. Obviously SAT's, ECA's etc, etc, play a huge role but with that said having a 720 on the math portion of the SAT's won't help me out if I have a C in calculus. With that said, I'm retaking the SAT's (two more times hopefully) and I'm also going to try to increase my extracurricular activities during the summer.
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What the above poster is saying involves the Whole Person Multiple, which actually is a number that is comprised of a whole lot of things. No one outside of Admissions (and this includes BGOs) can tell you exactly how this number is "crunched" but the elements are generally what was indicated.
Of course, there are intangible factors, such as LORs, special circumstances (e.g., having to work to support one's family), etc. So, while numbers are obviously important, it's not as if you can simply add up points and, voila, you are admitted.
Of course, there are intangible factors, such as LORs, special circumstances (e.g., having to work to support one's family), etc. So, while numbers are obviously important, it's not as if you can simply add up points and, voila, you are admitted.
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In answer to your question, and in addition to what usna1985 has stated, it doesn't matter if you know what are "acceptable" GPAs and SAT scores, etc. etc. You already have all those factoids. Knowing factoids about acceptable GPAs and SAT scores is only useful to get some sense of whether you might have a chance or are totally out of the game.
At the end of the day what matters is whether, on your nomination slate, your Whole Person Score is higher than anyone elses. You shouldn't be shooting for specific targets or even focusing necessarily on particular areas other than knowing weaknesses and strengthening them. Let's say you meet all your targets, but someone on your slate does a bit better in every one of them... they will get the appointment. Competition rules. You must simply do the absolute best you can do in everything, since your competition is unknown to you.
Very clearly stated
Yes the SAT/ACT score is a deal breaker. Or at least it has been for my DS wo has tried 2 times now and been denied 2 times. This year he attended a very good military prep for the first year of college. 3.7 GPA with 18 hours a semester. Excellent CFA scores. No appointment. Good luck
What was his SAT score? math/critical reading. And he was definitely an official candidate right? And did he have any nominations? Thanks.
Understood, In order to separate myself from the pack - should I really invest time in ECA's during the summer?
Excuse me but What?
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JCT95, other than KINMEN wacking you upside the head he couldn't be more clear. It ALL matters. A second time applicant from our district that went to a top college and played high level sports there with straight As did not get in. The dad actually called admissions and was openly and honestly told his 30 ACT did not cut it and he should have taken it again. He subsequently met the person from our district who got in. He had a 36 ACT, high Gpa, high level sports. So IT ALL MATTERS!!!!
Listen to KINMEN.
Listen to KINMEN.
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Whew! Now go get 'em tiger! Good luck!
Bit of a dumb question, but does being a principle nomination make a huge difference? Thanks.
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Yes. If you receive a principal nom AND are triple Q'ed, USNA must offer you an appointment.
However, most MOCs don't use principal noms. Each makes his/her own decision and you'd have to check with your MOCs to find out what they do. Also, no one other than the SAs knows how many MOCs use the principal method. And it only matters what your MOCs do; most will disclose their practice.
However, most MOCs don't use principal noms. Each makes his/her own decision and you'd have to check with your MOCs to find out what they do. Also, no one other than the SAs knows how many MOCs use the principal method. And it only matters what your MOCs do; most will disclose their practice.
Understood, I can't tell you how much I appreciate all your help - again thanks.
I just have several questions for you, I hope I'm asking the right questions...
- unfortunately, my view on attaining an appointment was a bit flawed, to state the obvious I'm competing for a nomination - against the people in my area. I know you can't talk for other MOC's and local representatives, but in your experience do they look favorably upon re applicants? Do they admire the determination? And for the re applicants you've helped, have the vast majority received nominations?
- as I stated earlier, I'm retaking the SAT's in June - and I plan on taking them again in September, November. In order to be competitive for a nomination, I'd need a high sat score coupled with a solid GPA. In regards to the Academy, I know you've stated that College/plebe level courses are most important - academics wise...and I understand that there is no concrete, definitive GPA/score. But is college level GPA the single most important aspect as to being deemed academically qualified? (The Academy, not MOC's).
- Ninnem, and other posters have hammered the point home that it all matters...which it does. But in the reapplication thread, you mentioned that the USNA understands that freshman can't do much. In regards to ECA'S and sports, how much of an impact could they make? I got the impression that provided I still want to attend the USNA next year, I should focus on my grades, then my grades, and strictly my grades. Correct? And provided one (for a lack of a better word) "destroys" the CFA (100+ push-ups, 100+ sit-ups, 20+ pull-ups, 6:00 min mile) could that have a huge effect on ones application? (I get it that it all matters, but is it dramatic?)
- and lastly, I read through the reapplication thread several times. I noticed that several people mentioned that they reapplied (twice in some cases!) but were turned down, upon further discovery I found out that they weren't taking plebe level courses (the courses varied, and one poster who managed to take those courses got C's). I understand this is a broad generalization, but in all your years - provided one does take plebe level courses and does well in them, how are there chances? In other words, have you seen many college freshman/sophomore re applicants receive appointments or is it few and far between (provided they follow your instructions, and do well)?
Thanks again, your advice is great. Have a nice day.