Reapplying to USNA (after a turndown)

Chem is the Plebe killer. Physics is the Youngster one.

Just remember, there are a ton of resources on campus, and the professors all hold office hours to assist any student that asks. Unless someone is just atrocious at a subject, there are so many ways to get help. They want you to pass, and will do whatever they can to help you get there. *




* That doesn't mean there aren't some mediocre/questionable professors. You hear stories of those.
 
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I applied for the USNA class of 27 and 28 and will now be applying for the class of 29.

I had the opportunity to work for a D1 sports team during my freshman year of college (often working more than 50 hours a week). I tried to do Army ROTC (my university doesn't have NROTC), but the ROTC lab is held on the same days as our games, so I unfortunately couldn't join. You all might be questioning my motives, but if I don't receive an appointment at USNA, I plan to join the military on a different route (Army Veterinary Corps). I am going to join Air Force ROTC as a sophomore in college. If I explain this to my BGO, will the message be relayed so the admissions board can see this?

Additionally, I tried my best to replicate a plebe-like schedule as much as possible. I took calc 1 this past school year with English and my major's science class (as well as some gen eds). I tried to take calc 2 next semester, but there is absolutely no way it will fit into my schedule if I want to take chem 1, my major's required class, and the AFROTC classes (I have to take double because I am starting as a sophomore). So next semester, I am taking Chemistry 1 (with lab), my science class for my major (with lab), finite math (instead of calc 2), and a history class.

The moral of the story: do you think USNA will hold this against me/view this poorly? With all that being said, it doesn't mean I am any less dedicated to military service, and I really cannot stress enough how badly I want to go to an academy. I hope they understand that I can't put all my eggs in one basket and that life doesn't stop just because I didn't receive an appointment.
 
Chem is the Plebe killer. Physics is the Youngster one.

Just remember, there are a ton of resources on campus, and the professors all hold office hours to assist any student that asks. Unless someone is just atrocious at a subject, there are so many ways to get help. They want you to pass, and will do whatever they can to help you get there. *




* That doesn't mean there aren't some mediocre/questionable professors. You hear stories of those.
The Mids at Kings Point have to take Physics Plebey year because they go out for their sea year 3/C year.
 
I did not receive a nomination for C/O 28 and was turned down 4/16. I knew my chances of direct entry were extremely slim, but frankly was shocked that I didn't receive NAPS (or even NAPS waitlist). I only say this because my profile really seemed to fit what USNA looks for in NAPS, and my BGO thought I had a really good shot. Anyway, onward and upward. I will be a programmer in NROTC and participating in a D1 sport next year, however I learned today that most likely the highest math I will be able to do next fall is College Algebra/Trig. The college I am attending is heavy engineering, so they are pretty strict on Math placement. I will be able to take Chem and essentially mirror the plebe year as much as possible, but wondering if the experts think that this will really hurt my chances when I reapply. My verbal score was just over 700, but was never able to crack 530 on the Math portion (that's the reason for my placement). I did receive a B in pre-calculus, but the university is holding firm. Not trying to be negative, but starting to wonder with my Math scores that my best shot at Annapolis pretty much ended on 4/16 since I know that NAPS and foundation are pretty much out of the picture now. Is it possible that even with the lower math class that improving my SAT scores along with an A in College Algebra will be looked upon favorably, or am I hosed?
 
I did not receive a nomination for C/O 28 and was turned down 4/16. I knew my chances of direct entry were extremely slim, but frankly was shocked that I didn't receive NAPS (or even NAPS waitlist). I only say this because my profile really seemed to fit what USNA looks for in NAPS, and my BGO thought I had a really good shot. Anyway, onward and upward. I will be a programmer in NROTC and participating in a D1 sport next year, however I learned today that most likely the highest math I will be able to do next fall is College Algebra/Trig. The college I am attending is heavy engineering, so they are pretty strict on Math placement. I will be able to take Chem and essentially mirror the plebe year as much as possible, but wondering if the experts think that this will really hurt my chances when I reapply. My verbal score was just over 700, but was never able to crack 530 on the Math portion (that's the reason for my placement). I did receive a B in pre-calculus, but the university is holding firm. Not trying to be negative, but starting to wonder with my Math scores that my best shot at Annapolis pretty much ended on 4/16 since I know that NAPS and foundation are pretty much out of the picture now. Is it possible that even with the lower math class that improving my SAT scores along with an A in College Algebra will be looked upon favorably, or am I hosed?
I wonder if you could retake the SAT over the summer and see if you can get a high enough math score to be placed into calculus. Try emailing your college academic advisor and explaining that you will be retaking the SAT and asking if it is possible to use that score for your placement.
 
Interesting to listen about how the class of 2028 potentially will have a make-up of 40% re-applicants, up from 26-30%:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60iI7N5jRtQ&t=180shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60iI7N5jRtQ&t=180s
I responded to your dupe post in another thread with current discussion thread link:
Thread '40% of class are re-applicants!'
https://www.serviceacademyforums.com/index.php?threads/40-of-class-are-re-applicants.95174/

That is an unofficial source doing a lot of speculating. We will have to wait and see the official class profile come out.
 
DD is working on Fall class schedule now. NROTC scholarship for ME major has her taking Physics and not Chemistry. She will have a full load with the standard NROTC classes to take; English, US Military History, Calc, Intro to Navy Science, and Physics. Chem will push her over 18 credits. Is this necessary? Or should she swap out Physics for Chem?
 
The source is unofficial, but I generally agree with his point: Many, if not most, high-school grads are not ready for challenging college curriculums (not to mention the additional non-academic rigors of an SA). I say this as a college professor who sees a profound difference between college freshmen and sophomores. Freshmen are essentially overgrown high-school seniors -- especially in the covid era -- and they have a lot to figure out. Namely, that what worked in high school won't necessarily work in college. Something does click for most of them during that first year, and they approach things differently as sophomores.

Now, some of you are thinking: "But SA applicants are different. They're the best of the best..." and so on. I don't necessarily buy that, and I say this as the father of an SA grad. Sure, SA applicants as a whole might be better adjusted, but the SAs as a whole are even tougher. So it's all relative, and it makes sense to me that SAs believe a non-direct applicant might be more likely to succeed.

If SAs believe non-directs will do better and become superior officers, it's their prerogative to appoint more of them. As they say, at least at USNA, it's N*OT COLLEGE.
 
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