Rejection from West Point...

If you have a certain ACT/SAT Composite you are unqualified for USMAPS by virtue of scoring too well. I was rejected from the class of 2020. I Enlisted, have done some time, schools, and deployment, and I am currently reapplying for class of 2023. There's always options.
 
What I scratch my head over every year is this: kids come on this site, talk about how West Point is all they've ever wanted, etc...and they don't get in. They give up. Most who get a TWE don't reapply. Why is that? Does the dream end w/ one rejection? Randy Pausch once said, "Walls are there to see how bad you want in. They're meant to be scaled." Go to the University or the Community College, take hard classes that mimic plebe year, join ROTC...do whatever it takes if West Point is truly your dream. Contact your RC NOW and ask how to improve your chances for next year. Most people in STEM majors take 5 years to finish college...so what is the big deal about reapplying? 25% of the incoming class is not right out of high school. It's time to be gritty about what you really want in life.
 
What I scratch my head over every year is this: kids come on this site, talk about how West Point is all they've ever wanted, etc...and they don't get in. They give up. Most who get a TWE don't reapply. Why is that? Does the dream end w/ one rejection? Randy Pausch once said, "Walls are there to see how bad you want in. They're meant to be scaled." Go to the University or the Community College, take hard classes that mimic plebe year, join ROTC...do whatever it takes if West Point is truly your dream. Contact your RC NOW and ask how to improve your chances for next year. Most people in STEM majors take 5 years to finish college...so what is the big deal about reapplying? 25% of the incoming class is not right out of high school. It's time to be gritty about what you really want in life.

So far I have two brothers who attended USNA, two nieces and a nephew at USNA, my DD USMA 2021 and DS is USMA 2022.
The last one, DS 2022, is the only one who got in first time straight from high school without a year of prep school, college or enlisted time.
 
What I scratch my head over every year is this: kids come on this site, talk about how West Point is all they've ever wanted, etc...and they don't get in. They give up. Most who get a TWE don't reapply. Why is that? Does the dream end w/ one rejection? Randy Pausch once said, "Walls are there to see how bad you want in. They're meant to be scaled." Go to the University or the Community College, take hard classes that mimic plebe year, join ROTC...do whatever it takes if West Point is truly your dream. Contact your RC NOW and ask how to improve your chances for next year. Most people in STEM majors take 5 years to finish college...so what is the big deal about reapplying? 25% of the incoming class is not right out of high school. It's time to be gritty about what you really want in life.

So far I have two brothers who attended USNA, two nieces and a nephew at USNA, my DD USMA 2021 and DS is USMA 2022.
The last one, DS 2022, is the only one who got in first time straight from high school without a year of prep school, college or enlisted time.

Well that makes me feel better about my process
 
As I've said before, my DS was a reapplicant. That extra year got him squared away via ROTC and Mountain Order of Columbo at UNG and taking Calculus, Chemistry, and Composition didn't hurt either.
 
What I scratch my head over every year is this: kids come on this site, talk about how West Point is all they've ever wanted, etc...and they don't get in. They give up. Most who get a TWE don't reapply. Why is that? Does the dream end w/ one rejection? Randy Pausch once said, "Walls are there to see how bad you want in. They're meant to be scaled." Go to the University or the Community College, take hard classes that mimic plebe year, join ROTC...do whatever it takes if West Point is truly your dream. Contact your RC NOW and ask how to improve your chances for next year. Most people in STEM majors take 5 years to finish college...so what is the big deal about reapplying? 25% of the incoming class is not right out of high school. It's time to be gritty about what you really want in life.

So far I have two brothers who attended USNA, two nieces and a nephew at USNA, my DD USMA 2021 and DS is USMA 2022.
The last one, DS 2022, is the only one who got in first time straight from high school without a year of prep school, college or enlisted time.

Well that makes me feel better about my process
Many famous military leaders—Patton, Eisenhower, Ridgeway come to mind—did not come to West Point right out of HS. Patton spent a year at VMI because he thought he was too stupid to go to USMA. Ridgeway failed the math portion of his entrance exam. Eisenhower worked to support his brother who was going through college.

Being honest, I’m grateful I was rejected my first time around. Got to enjoy civilian college and life. See my family. Got prepared academically. ROTC prepped me for the military aspect. I’m gonna be far better off that I would’ve been a year ago.
 
Not getting an appointment the first year is a blessing to many re-applicants. The year of maturity will help them become leaders among their peers that next year.
 
Many famous military leaders—Patton, Eisenhower, Ridgeway come to mind—did not come to West Point right out of HS. Patton spent a year at VMI because he thought he was too stupid to go to USMA. Ridgeway failed the math portion of his entrance exam. Eisenhower worked to support his brother who was going through college.

Being honest, I’m grateful I was rejected my first time around. Got to enjoy civilian college and life. See my family. Got prepared academically. ROTC prepped me for the military aspect. I’m gonna be far better off that I would’ve been a year ago.
Don't forget James Gavin.
 
My DD got her rejection and is self prepping next year and said she is willing to apply the following year if she gets a rejection again. What I don't quite understand is from MMI she was told it was her act, 27 if they super score it's a 29, she was 3qd but I saw a maps appointee with a 27 ACT, this whole process can be so confusing.
 
My DD got her rejection and is self prepping next year and said she is willing to apply the following year if she gets a rejection again. What I don't quite understand is from MMI she was told it was her act, 27 if they super score it's a 29, she was 3qd but I saw a maps appointee with a 27 ACT, this whole process can be so confusing.
The whole candidate score is what they look at not just the ACT. My daughter self prepped at NWP last year and reapplied. We are so excited that she received her appointment will be joining the usma class of 2022. Never give up!
 
The WCS is used to compare candidates, but you are also just competing against those individuals from the same nomination source. Most likely, you DD was competing on your local Representative's slate and was beat out by a stronger candidate. The USMAPS cadets compete on a different slate that is almost unrelated to your son. They can also compete with for a service connected appointment if they do not win a congressional slate and are basically guaranteed as appointment in the last group if they do not win a slate.
 
I attended college for 2 years and will have enlisted for 2 years (for which I had to wait one year for a medical waiver) before entering the military academy at the age of 22 this year. Those five years have been an integral part of my educational and professional experience that allowed my decision to apply to West Point last August. To those who are denied appointment to be the class of 2022 -- continue to seek self-improvement towards the highest goal in your given environment, so that you are ready to grab opportunities when they arrive.
 
What I scratch my head over every year is this: kids come on this site, talk about how West Point is all they've ever wanted, etc...and they don't get in. They give up. Most who get a TWE don't reapply. Why is that? Does the dream end w/ one rejection? Randy Pausch once said, "Walls are there to see how bad you want in. They're meant to be scaled." Go to the University or the Community College, take hard classes that mimic plebe year, join ROTC...do whatever it takes if West Point is truly your dream. Contact your RC NOW and ask how to improve your chances for next year. Most people in STEM majors take 5 years to finish college...so what is the big deal about reapplying? 25% of the incoming class is not right out of high school. It's time to be gritty about what you really want in life.
Personally I think that after getting rejected they go on with their life and attend a civilians college where many will continue with Rotc. There will be those who will reapply or try the self prep route, but I think a good chunk of people will be happy with the plan B school especially if its an equivalent to the academies like the Ivys or Stanford. Others may not want to go through the emotional rollacoaster again and some maybe happier at a civilian college. My son who just finished AFRotc and commissioned wanted to go to AFA, but he really didnt have the grades for it in high school. I am sure he could have handled being there in terms of lifestyle, but I know his time at Purdue was exceptional for him as it was a better match.
 
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Agree with Humey....
He stated in an earlier thread: "...the determining factor is she more interested in the journey or the destination."

For my DS, three years ago, the destination was all that mattered and he showed zero interest during his freshman year about reapplying to an SA. His answer to me when I asked him about it was, "Why would I reapply? My goal is to commission as an officer as soon as possible." By then he was thriving at his ROTC program, getting good grades, earned a campus based scholarship and working part time as a snow board instructor.
 
Agree with Humey....
He stated in an earlier thread: "...the determining factor is she more interested in the journey or the destination."

For my DS, three years ago, the destination was all that mattered and he showed zero interest during his freshman year about reapplying to an SA. His answer to me when I asked him about it was, "Why would I reapply? My goal is to commission as an officer as soon as possible." By then he was thriving at his ROTC program, getting good grades, earned a campus based scholarship and working part time as a snow board instructor.

This happens more times than not. The student goes off to Plan B intending on reapplying and finds out that they love Plan B. Once they get involved with ROTC and their school, they find no reason not to continue with the path to Officership through ROTC.

NOTE TO REAPPLICANTS: If you do intend to reapply to West Point, you need to be in ROTC at your new school or West Point will question your motivation. The end goal should be to be an Army Officer - not a West Point grad.
 
My DD got her rejection and is self prepping next year and said she is willing to apply the following year if she gets a rejection again. What I don't quite understand is from MMI she was told it was her act, 27 if they super score it's a 29, she was 3qd but I saw a maps appointee with a 27 ACT, this whole process can be so confusing.

You have to look at the whole person, not just the ACT score. I'm sure you are talking about my DS who got into USMAPS with a 27 ACT/1230 SAT, 3.8 GPA, but that is his only weak spot and that is why he was admitted. He attends a very competitive department of defense school in Germany made up of mostly high ranking officer's kids. His achievements are that he has 4 Varsity letters in track, was the track team captain his junior and senior year, won 2 gold medals at Euros (which is the equivalent of State in the US), has played soccer for the past 13 years, 4 of those years he was on a German soccer team, he is Student Council Vice President, a member of NHS and multiple other clubs, has over 300 + volunteer hours, he has been in JROTC for four years, is currently at the rank of captain, is one of the company commanders (the 3rd highest rank) in an honor unit with distinction and received the JROTC nomination to WP, is the top in his class for physical fitness performance, attended 4-week long leadership academies over the last four years, one at Columbia University in NYC, and three in Germany, has taken a total of 16 AP classes, fluent in German, plays guitar and cello, has lived in Europe for the past 7.5 years and is very well traveled and cultured, is the son of an active duty military officer (so used to moving around and the military lifestyle), had a principal congressional nomination and a presidential nomination, and is the son of a grad (which may or may not have the tiniest bit of influence.) In the same token, he has a classmate/friend that received a direct appointment who had a slightly lower SAT score, same GPA, no leadership positions at the high school, however he did play football and was one of the captains, was in NHS, and threw discus in track, but what stands out for him is that he served as a page in Washington D.C. for his state senator and had a personal recommendation from that senator and was from a non competitive district whereas my DS was in a very competitive district. They were practically equal and one got into the prep school and one directly into the academy. Moral of the story......some of it doesn't make a bit of sense to us, but to the admissions board even the smallest things can tip the scale in one direction or the other. I think what they do admire is perseverance in the form of reapplying and your DD seems like she's on the right track in her desire to attend and I do pray that she is rewarded for her diligence. Either way she will be successful in anything she does because of that quality.
 
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My DD got her rejection and is self prepping next year and said she is willing to apply the following year if she gets a rejection again. What I don't quite understand is from MMI she was told it was her act, 27 if they super score it's a 29, she was 3qd but I saw a maps appointee with a 27 ACT, this whole process can be so confusing.


You have to look at the whole person, not just the ACT score. I'm sure you are talking about my DS who got into USMAPS with a 27 ACT/1230 SAT, 3.8 GPA, but that is his only weak spot and that is why he was admitted. He attends a very competitive department of defense school in Germany made up of mostly high ranking officer's kids. His achievements are that he has 4 Varsity letters in track, was the track team captain his junior and senior year, won 2 gold medals at Euros (which is the equivalent of State in the US), has played soccer for the past 13 years, 4 of those years he was on a German soccer team, he is Student Council Vice President, a member of NHS and multiple other clubs, has over 300 + volunteer hours, he has been in JROTC for four years, is currently at the rank of captain, is one of the company commanders (the 3rd highest rank) in an honor unit with distinction and received the JROTC nomination to WP, is the top in his class for physical fitness performance, attended 4-week long leadership academies over the last four years, one at Columbia University in NYC, and three in Germany, has taken a total of 16 AP classes, fluent in German, plays guitar and cello, has lived in Europe for the past 7.5 years and is very well traveled and cultured, is the son of an active duty military officer (so used to moving around and the military lifestyle), had a principal congressional nomination and a presidential nomination, and is the son of a grad (which may or may not have the tiniest bit of influence.) In the same token, he has a classmate/friend that received a direct appointment who had a slightly lower SAT score, same GPA, no leadership positions at the high school, however he did play football and was one of the captains, was in NHS, and threw discus in track, but what stands out for him is that he served as a page in Washington D.C. for his state senator and had a personal recommendation from that senator and was from a non competitive district whereas my DS was in a very competitive district. They were practically equal and one got into the prep school and one directly into the academy. Moral of the story......some of it doesn't make a bit of sense to us, but to the admissions board even the smallest things can tip the scale in one direction or the other. I think what they do admire is perseverance in the form of reapplying and your DD seems like she's on the right track in her desire to attend and I do pray that she is rewarded for her diligence. Either way she will be successful in anything she does because of that quality.

From what I've read, your DS seems borderline "overqualified " for USMAPS, but what do I know. If I could make a WAG as to another possible reason why he got offered prep instead of direct appointment, it may be that of all of his nomination sources, he wasn't the most competitive, and didn't win the slate. WP wants him, and offered the golden ticket to prep, where next year he secures a NOM and is offered appointment.
My DS was offered Falcon Foundation scholarship to USAFA, and his stats were certainly to high for prep(as I've read here anyhow), and he did NOT have any NOM to USAFA. So they offered him that route as a way to get him.
Some of the unknowns are essays, LORs, and FFR interview if conducted . These cannot be compared between candidates by anyone but the selection committee. So the question of why so and so got an offer over someone else remains unknown, and the "chance me" questions are a guess at best.

Congratulations to your DS!!
 
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Hello, I’m new to using the forum but have been stalking on here for the past year. I didn’t want to create a new forum because this relates to rejection.

Anyways, I received the TWE via mail on March 30 from USMA and I don’t think they updated my portal. As of right now, they are asking for my 8th semester transcript. Should I still give it to them? I mean, i did really well this last semester (mostly A’s) but it’s not like they will give me a late appointment or to the prep school, right?...

Nonetheless, I am going to reapply, so USMA will need to see me High School transcripts. It’s just a matter of when
 
There have been cases where you get a TWE and then get accepted later. Was the request for 8th semester transcripts done prior to getting rejected or after. If after, maybe they are giving you a second look
 
The portal has requested an 8th semester transcript since May 15. I graduated May 24 but since then I’ve been busy with family gatherings and Celebrations so I haven’t been able to request one from my high school.
 
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