Roller coaster I: Get You (The Parents) Through Plebe Year - Class of ‘27 🎢

Messing with leave, especially after everyone has left is a bad... someone screwed up.

What duty positions are manned during the holidays ? I visited the Yard the day after Thanksgiving and was shocked when there was no one manning Main Office . (There may have been someone back behind the public spaces, but I poked my head in briefly and didn't see anyone there.

Also, do Midshipman fill out leave chits now ? I don't recall doing that as a Midshipman -certainly did at NAPS and while on Active Duty, but as a Midshipman we were pretty much free to go as soon as last military obligation was over. I think we did fill out a contact information card, and I think those that were planning to go overseas but had to run a chit, but was never an issue.
Yes, their leave paperwork was due in November. It had to have info of all the locations they would be. We’re traveling for New Year’s week. He had to give the name/address/phone of hotel along with the names of the front desk manager and concierge. He was then told it was a region the Navy requires rabies vaccines. When he went to the appt they changed their mind and say that was an outdated guideline. But yes, they definitely want details.
 
Thanks for all the experienced perspectives. Our plebe was not pleased, obviously, but rolled with it. She left our house 0503 on Tuesday to start her duty at 0800. She was required to stay overnight until relieved at 0800 on Wednesday. She said there was no one in Bancroft (take that with a grain of salt) overnight. The heat was blasting to such an extent it was difficult to sleep. It's all good, just turned 19 and doing what needs to get done.
 
See '26 thread. Kid did his watch yesterday through this morning. They also had him booked on the 23rd for colors. They are only supposed to have one watch over the break and he was already going on a ski trip with his GF and her family during that time. Email and discussion with watch coordinator cleared it up.

He did NOT have it last year, so he was a bit surprised.

Downside of being a local!
 
See '26 thread. Kid did his watch yesterday through this morning. They also had him booked on the 23rd for colors. They are only supposed to have one watch over the break and he was already going on a ski trip with his GF and her family during that time. Email and discussion with watch coordinator cleared it up.

He did NOT have it last year, so he was a bit surprised.

Downside of being a local!
Restrictee shortage.
 
Was there ever an email sent out regarding volunteers for holiday watches? When I was at a different boat school (maritime academy), we had a volunteer/lottery system. You could volunteer and pick a watch that worked with your leave plans or gamble and hope your name wasn't called. If you volunteered, then your name got put at the bottom of the draft order for the following holiday, if I remember correctly.

Question for those with current mids: is loss of leave still awarded on a regular basis? I remember loss of leave was not uncommon to see for hefty 6K offenses. When I was at USNA, restrictee numbers were hit and miss, but those with loss of leave rounded out the watch pool. Granted, I was never a fan of loss of leave and I thought it wasn't productive to not let someone go home for Christmas for a dumb decision they made in August, for example.
 
Was there ever an email sent out regarding volunteers for holiday watches? When I was at a different boat school (maritime academy), we had a volunteer/lottery system. You could volunteer and pick a watch that worked with your leave plans or gamble and hope your name wasn't called. If you volunteered, then your name got put at the bottom of the draft order for the following holiday, if I remember correctly.

Question for those with current mids: is loss of leave still awarded on a regular basis? I remember loss of leave was not uncommon to see for hefty 6K offenses. When I was at USNA, restrictee numbers were hit and miss, but those with loss of leave rounded out the watch pool. Granted, I was never a fan of loss of leave and I thought it wasn't productive to not let someone go home for Christmas for a dumb decision they made in August, for example.
Yes they loose leave. A friend Mid lost leave for 30 days (for parking in the wrong spot while dropping off wardroom supplies quickly…). They had to request (not sure the wording) to suspend(?) it for Army Navy (it was a weird one this year and they left Thursday) and also Thanksgiving. Something about having already sunk money into tickets, housing, etc. No clue if it’s common to be able to suspend a restriction like that or not but this Mid was approved to have the days adjusted.
 
Yes they loose leave. A friend Mid lost leave for 30 days (for parking in the wrong spot while dropping off wardroom supplies quickly…). They had to request (not sure the wording) to suspend(?) it for Army Navy (it was a weird one this year and they left Thursday) and also Thanksgiving. Something about having already sunk money into tickets, housing, etc. No clue if it’s common to be able to suspend a restriction like that or not but this Mid was approved to have the days adjusted.
I am sure they had some sympathy from their chain of command. From the outside looking in, 30 days loss of leave seems pretty high and right for something as inconsequential as parking. It is almost worse when you are getting fried for carrying out official duties like wardroom stocking. Parking at USNA is a trap where spaces have conflicting signage and a separate instruction that levies its own restrictions.
 
I am sure they had some sympathy from their chain of command. From the outside looking in, 30 days loss of leave seems pretty high and right for something as inconsequential as parking. It is almost worse when you are getting fried for carrying out official duties like wardroom stocking. Parking at USNA is a trap where spaces have conflicting signage and a separate instruction that levies its own restrictions.
Yep, wardroom officer carrying all the supplies up and down, purchased from Sams.

Idk if there is process (like a tag), but agree it seems harsh. But I’m not in charge 😂.
 
Messing with leave, especially after everyone has left is a bad... someone screwed up.

What duty positions are manned during the holidays ? I visited the Yard the day after Thanksgiving and was shocked when there was no one manning Main Office . (There may have been someone back behind the public spaces, but I poked my head in briefly and didn't see anyone there.

Also, do Midshipman fill out leave chits now ? I don't recall doing that as a Midshipman -certainly did at NAPS and while on Active Duty, but as a Midshipman we were pretty much free to go as soon as last military obligation was over. I think we did fill out a contact information card, and I think those that were planning to go overseas but had to run a chit, but was never an issue.
My plebe daughter said she didn't have to fill out a chit for winter break.
She also said there were not enough unsat mids to stay on the yard and cover watch this year. So they were asking those who live close (100miles?) to come back and cover.
 
The things that bothered me the most about USNA so far are the absurdly harsh parking violation punishments and the fact I heard that someone was accused of an honor violation for plagiarism for using pieces of work they had previously already used. In what universe is using your own intellectual property plagiarism. Doesn't even remotely come close to violating the honor concept.
 
The things that bothered me the most about USNA so far are the absurdly harsh parking violation punishments and the fact I heard that someone was accused of an honor violation for plagiarism for using pieces of work they had previously already used. In what universe is using your own intellectual property plagiarism. Doesn't even remotely come close to violating the honor concept.
Don’t believe everything you hear and fortunately for you, you won’t have to worry about parking violations for a couple of years.. I hope the year is going well for you otherwise..
 
The things that bothered me the most about USNA so far are the absurdly harsh parking violation punishments and the fact I heard that someone was accused of an honor violation for plagiarism for using pieces of work they had previously already used. In what universe is using your own intellectual property plagiarism. Doesn't even remotely come close to violating the honor concept.
Yes, not citing your own work is considered plagiarism - self plagiarism.

My brother is an editor of the top journal in his field - and he said you can’t do it.

Some (like I think my brother) don’t look down at it as harshly as others do.

To me - it is lazy. In a previous research project, I found “…….” (1) - seems like an easy thing.
 
The things that bothered me the most about USNA so far are the absurdly harsh parking violation punishments and the fact I heard that someone was accused of an honor violation for plagiarism for using pieces of work they had previously already used. In what universe is using your own intellectual property plagiarism. Doesn't even remotely come close to violating the honor concept.
What are the parking violations punishments look like?
 
Yes, not citing your own work is considered plagiarism - self plagiarism.

My brother is an editor of the top journal in his field - and he said you can’t do it.

Some (like I think my brother) don’t look down at it as harshly as others do.

To me - it is lazy. In a previous research project, I found “…….” (1) - seems like an easy thing.

If self-plagiarism is a real thing in academia, that should be taught here if they are going to fry people over it, because to me "self-plagiarism" is an oxymoron. IP is IP, as long as everything is sourced properly within what you're using. I'm obviously not going to do it, but I can still have my personal opinions.
 
We had a friend experience self-plagiarism in the state university and it wasn't even reusing work. The software they used to scan for plagiarism picked up same words/writing style as something he had written in high school. Not even the same subject. When he objected saying it was "author style", he was told that the papers he had written previously belonged to the IB progam/high school.
If you get flagged, you get flagged..no contesting the case.
 
Kid is thinking about leaving. Still wants to commission (ROTC or OCS), says he is having a hard time adjusting to the culture in the Academy and is having a hard time finding friends he can trust. I don’t know if this is a temporary burden that he needs to overcome or if maybe the Academy is not the place for him. He said Plebe summer was great because everyone was miserable together, but now there are lots of clicks and he cant find a place for him. Have any of the OGs been in this position? How did you advise your kid? (Grades are good, classes are good, sounds like he is struggling socially)
 
Kid is thinking about leaving. Still wants to commission (ROTC or OCS), says he is having a hard time adjusting to the culture in the Academy and is having a hard time finding friends he can trust. I don’t know if this is a temporary burden that he needs to overcome or if maybe the Academy is not the place for him. He said Plebe summer was great because everyone was miserable together, but now there are lots of clicks and he cant find a place for him. Have any of the OGs been in this position? How did you advise your kid? (Grades are good, classes are good, sounds like he is struggling socially)
Sometimes it takes sometime to find your group. This is regardless of where you go to college. Second semester is better, have him see if he can join a club or something. Feel free to reach out if need be!
 
This is a temporary thing. Outside of the general culture of USNA (i.e. the customs, courtesies, and the traditions that are part of the military, Navy/USMC, and USNA), there are lots of different sub-cultures in and out of Bancroft. Cultures change all the time too. A new Company Officer comes in, a Commandant leaves, a new ECA is formed, Training Staffs change, etc. There is no requirement that one's social group has to be in company, even though it might feel like that as a Plebe. Some people hang with their ECA friends, while others hang out with their teammates or fellow major students. Also, the people who hang out together Plebe Year might not necessarily be the people that hang out with each other as upperclass. You have more paths available to you regarding majors, summer trainings, programs, etc. Let's also not forget that most of the Plebes are fresh out of high school. There is still that "cliquey" tendency and most Plebes are still trying to feel people out and gauge how the stack up. People will move companies as well. I don't know what the current flavor of personnel movement is at USNA (mine was company movement as a cohort aka scramble), but everyone will someway, somehow be in a different setting at some point. Lastly, USNA is a four year journey. Nobody is the same after their four years. People come out of their shells, become more mature, and have more meaningful interactions.
 
Kid is thinking about leaving. Still wants to commission (ROTC or OCS), says he is having a hard time adjusting to the culture in the Academy and is having a hard time finding friends he can trust. I don’t know if this is a temporary burden that he needs to overcome or if maybe the Academy is not the place for him. He said Plebe summer was great because everyone was miserable together, but now there are lots of clicks and he cant find a place for him. Have any of the OGs been in this position? How did you advise your kid? (Grades are good, classes are good, sounds like he is struggling socially)
New companies are being added for next year. May be he could put in a preference to be moved out of his current company if he feels that it is not a right fit for him. That may give him an opportunity to work with new group of people forming a new company and culture.
 
My understanding is that plebes are shotgunning next year. Others as well. And that they already know their new companies.

This is an opportunity to ‘start over’. A good thing for kids not feeling like they fit in.

Idk how it is now but Mids used to be ranked, to include a social element. If that’s a thing, perhaps he is struggling with that realization. He has to BE a good mate, to have good mates. My oldest plebe year roomie was ranked dead last ‘socially’. He was super smart, but spent all his time in his school work and books.

The good news? That can change with effort. Like anything else. He was coached and remediated, and ended up being an amazing mate and ranked highly.

Idk if that’s the problem or not but it does happen. It’s a thing. And it can be changed like all things.
 
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