According to the ROO's that post here, the PFT counts up to 150 points of your overall score for the scholarship. Out of the total score that's 15%. Not a lot, but not nonexistent.
Rotc Physical Fitness Test question
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According to the ROO's that post here, the PFT counts up to 150 points of your overall score for the scholarship. Out of the total score that's 15%. Not a lot, but not nonexistent.
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That seems to imply there is another form of 2LT, does it not?
Nope
They go hand in hand.
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I would appreciate it if people would stop criticizing my earlier statement about my pt tester. Not even relevant to the original question. As per my academia, I have posted them here before but I will again:
ACT: 33
GPA: 3.92/4 uw 4.06/4.33 w (don't know what that is on an 5 scale)
Classes: All college level- around 69 credits worth of ap and ib which I now have come to understand that I may have to give up for the scholarship, which I'm fine with.
Work: 55 hours a week in summer, 25 during school year
School Leadership: President of NHS, captain of speech team, 3 academic letters, freshman baseball and football.
Extra Curriculars: Baseball and basketball every year, church volunteering + nhs = 75 hours or more of comm service a year, running, tutoring.
ACT: 33
GPA: 3.92/4 uw 4.06/4.33 w (don't know what that is on an 5 scale)
Classes: All college level- around 69 credits worth of ap and ib which I now have come to understand that I may have to give up for the scholarship, which I'm fine with.
Work: 55 hours a week in summer, 25 during school year
School Leadership: President of NHS, captain of speech team, 3 academic letters, freshman baseball and football.
Extra Curriculars: Baseball and basketball every year, church volunteering + nhs = 75 hours or more of comm service a year, running, tutoring.
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What schools are you listing?
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Rupre,
1. I don't think anyone was trying to be harsh regarding the administrator of your PFT. Instead, they are highlighting that 54 pushups, and 50 situps in a minute begs the question of your form.
~~~~ CFA max for the AFA are:
95 push ups in 2 mins.
85 situps in 2 mins.
The amount you did would really push you way over the max points. You not only get no extra points for going over the max number, but you waste energy that could be used to bring up other areas, in your case the run.
It is also meant in true kindness from long term posters because what truly slips up AROTC scholarship recipients for contracting the 1st week of school is that they bust the PFA due to form.
Again meant in kindness, make sure from here on out you do correct form. You will be wasting your energy and time if the form is incorrect.
OBTW, I will say an O7 spends more time signing papers at his desk than doing daily PT. Chances are he has not been told in decades his form is incorrect, but the MSIII's next yr at your cadre will have no problem telling you your form is incorrect.
~~~ I bet when you went for your license you kept your hands at the 10 2 position. At the stop sign you did a 3 second count. Today when you drove your car did you do a CA rolling stop? Hit the brake for a second, saw nobody coming and went on? Did you keep your hands at 10 and 2 or 5 and 7? Point is you'd be amazed how soon you forget what the requirements for your DL were, now imagine 25 yrs later like the O7. Do you think anyone is going to bust an O7 on his form?
2. If you want a true answer, your list matters.
~~~~ I.E. Notre Dame is a ROTC powerhouse. You have the scores to get in, but maybe not for a scholarship.
~~~~ Georgetown would be a low reach, and if that is number 1, you may get yes from them, but no from ROTC for the scholarship.
~~~~ Don't know where you live, it may be your top ROTC choices are filled and they offer you your IS which is your safety.
There are too many variables to give you a
or 
One thing to think about adding to your resume is if you took the PSAT. If so, did you receive NMSF? Colleges love NMSF/NMF. ROTC also likes it even though you are using ACT scores. The reason why is to make NMSF, it is your jr. yr in hs, and collegeboard awards this to the top 5% nationally. Thus, combine that with your ACT score, academic profile and ECs, you will be sitting pretty for some merit scholarships too.
Don't just look at ROTC scholarship when it comes to choices, especially for AROTC because you can contract without a ROTC scholarship. Look at this is the next 4 yrs., and the ROTC scholarship is a perk.
1. I don't think anyone was trying to be harsh regarding the administrator of your PFT. Instead, they are highlighting that 54 pushups, and 50 situps in a minute begs the question of your form.
~~~~ CFA max for the AFA are:
95 push ups in 2 mins.
85 situps in 2 mins.
The amount you did would really push you way over the max points. You not only get no extra points for going over the max number, but you waste energy that could be used to bring up other areas, in your case the run.
It is also meant in true kindness from long term posters because what truly slips up AROTC scholarship recipients for contracting the 1st week of school is that they bust the PFA due to form.
Again meant in kindness, make sure from here on out you do correct form. You will be wasting your energy and time if the form is incorrect.
OBTW, I will say an O7 spends more time signing papers at his desk than doing daily PT. Chances are he has not been told in decades his form is incorrect, but the MSIII's next yr at your cadre will have no problem telling you your form is incorrect.
~~~ I bet when you went for your license you kept your hands at the 10 2 position. At the stop sign you did a 3 second count. Today when you drove your car did you do a CA rolling stop? Hit the brake for a second, saw nobody coming and went on? Did you keep your hands at 10 and 2 or 5 and 7? Point is you'd be amazed how soon you forget what the requirements for your DL were, now imagine 25 yrs later like the O7. Do you think anyone is going to bust an O7 on his form?
2. If you want a true answer, your list matters.
~~~~ I.E. Notre Dame is a ROTC powerhouse. You have the scores to get in, but maybe not for a scholarship.
~~~~ Georgetown would be a low reach, and if that is number 1, you may get yes from them, but no from ROTC for the scholarship.
~~~~ Don't know where you live, it may be your top ROTC choices are filled and they offer you your IS which is your safety.
There are too many variables to give you a
or One thing to think about adding to your resume is if you took the PSAT. If so, did you receive NMSF? Colleges love NMSF/NMF. ROTC also likes it even though you are using ACT scores. The reason why is to make NMSF, it is your jr. yr in hs, and collegeboard awards this to the top 5% nationally. Thus, combine that with your ACT score, academic profile and ECs, you will be sitting pretty for some merit scholarships too.
Don't just look at ROTC scholarship when it comes to choices, especially for AROTC because you can contract without a ROTC scholarship. Look at this is the next 4 yrs., and the ROTC scholarship is a perk.
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I don't know about that. Most people I know get the majority of their pushups during the first minute. They slow down quite a bit during the second minute. I would guess at the end of a minute he is at 80% of his maximum.
Thanks for the feedback, very thoughtful. And as for the push ups, that was me maxing out at 57 seconds. No more wouldve been done regardless of time limit, I collapsed. But the schools I am listing as one and two are UoW Madison and UofM Twin Cities. What are my chances at each prospective college? Thanks.
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Don't know either of the schools, but I don't see them as ROTC powerhouses, nor as an insanely competitive for admittance when it comes to your stats.
UM Ann Arbor, different story,
I mean this with kindness, but is this more about competition with your friend than anything else?
IOTW, he hears before you?
That may occur if your school lists are different.
I.E. He has U of Timbucktoo on his list and you don't. He can get U of Timbucktoo before you are waiting for higher level colleges,
UM Ann Arbor, different story,
I mean this with kindness, but is this more about competition with your friend than anything else?
IOTW, he hears before you?
That may occur if your school lists are different.
I.E. He has U of Timbucktoo on his list and you don't. He can get U of Timbucktoo before you are waiting for higher level colleges,
Your GPA is excellent, and your ACT is good, Academically your in good shape.
Your Leadership is average or just below average.
As far as athletics, it looks like a majority is Rec League sports with high school sports limited to your freshman year. Having a Varsity letter would have helped as well as being a captain of at least one school sport. The Rec League sports won't hurt, they just won't help a great deal.
Your PFT score should be fine.
Overall your Academics may be enough to compensate for the other areas. For the schools you listed you should have a slightly better then average chance based on prior years. Of course prior year stats don't mean a great deal because every year is different.
Just as a side note.
Nobody including myself was criticizing your grader or disrespecting the BG. The point everyone is making is that you should not assume your form is perfect just because of who grades you. To the contrary, it is relevant because the PFT is supposed to be done by a school instructor or coach, when it's done by someone else like a family friend or acquaintance, even if they are a BG, it's looked at differently. This board is filled every year with cadets that fail their first APFT and are in shock because they had Drill instructor or a retired CPT, or an AD soldier give then the PFT and said they did fine.
The reality is the first APFT you take is different, they will watch for anything they can find wrong, this is their turn to make a point. When you read here that out of 30 freshman only 2 passed, you start to get the idea quickly.
Just one tip and you can take it or leave it. If you had answered that your PFT was done by an Active Duty or Retired member of the military, nobody would have said a word. The moment you drop a name or rank, well, that's when you get the comments. If you do decide to give ROTC a try, don't bring up that BG in any conversation, it won't serve you well. One of my son's best friends in ROTC father is an AD BG, nobody in his battalion knew this until he showed up for graduation in uniform, he understood somethings you just keep to yourself. Name dropping only gets you the wrong kind of attention.
Just one other question, have you completed the application yet and is everything submitted for the first board, have you had your interview yet. A lot of these questions should have been answered during your interview.
Your Leadership is average or just below average.
As far as athletics, it looks like a majority is Rec League sports with high school sports limited to your freshman year. Having a Varsity letter would have helped as well as being a captain of at least one school sport. The Rec League sports won't hurt, they just won't help a great deal.
Your PFT score should be fine.
Overall your Academics may be enough to compensate for the other areas. For the schools you listed you should have a slightly better then average chance based on prior years. Of course prior year stats don't mean a great deal because every year is different.
Just as a side note.
Nobody including myself was criticizing your grader or disrespecting the BG. The point everyone is making is that you should not assume your form is perfect just because of who grades you. To the contrary, it is relevant because the PFT is supposed to be done by a school instructor or coach, when it's done by someone else like a family friend or acquaintance, even if they are a BG, it's looked at differently. This board is filled every year with cadets that fail their first APFT and are in shock because they had Drill instructor or a retired CPT, or an AD soldier give then the PFT and said they did fine.
The reality is the first APFT you take is different, they will watch for anything they can find wrong, this is their turn to make a point. When you read here that out of 30 freshman only 2 passed, you start to get the idea quickly.
Just one tip and you can take it or leave it. If you had answered that your PFT was done by an Active Duty or Retired member of the military, nobody would have said a word. The moment you drop a name or rank, well, that's when you get the comments. If you do decide to give ROTC a try, don't bring up that BG in any conversation, it won't serve you well. One of my son's best friends in ROTC father is an AD BG, nobody in his battalion knew this until he showed up for graduation in uniform, he understood somethings you just keep to yourself. Name dropping only gets you the wrong kind of attention.
Just one other question, have you completed the application yet and is everything submitted for the first board, have you had your interview yet. A lot of these questions should have been answered during your interview.
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One Last "Chance Me" before the board!
One last "Chance Me"? I'm a rising senior with a 3.9 GPA and a 29 composite ACT (33E, 33R, 28S, 22M). I'm taking AP Biology and AP Spanish this year.
I have a 2 Varsity letters in tennis (co-captain senior year). I played 2 years of football and one year of basketball, and I go to kickboxing classes twice a week. I also participate in 5k and 8k runs my town puts on, and lift weights every day.
I have over 90 volunteer hours at my local hospital/fire department, elected Secretary in NHS chapter, active member of church youth group, and I also co-organized a school clean up day and spaghetti dinner for senior citizens.
The schools I'm listing are:
VMI (I'm a dreamer, what can I say)
Purdue (almost my #1, interviewed there)
Indiana
North Georgia
U South Florida
EDIT: PFA Scores: 54 push ups, 56 sit ups, 6:34 mile
One last "Chance Me"? I'm a rising senior with a 3.9 GPA and a 29 composite ACT (33E, 33R, 28S, 22M). I'm taking AP Biology and AP Spanish this year.
I have a 2 Varsity letters in tennis (co-captain senior year). I played 2 years of football and one year of basketball, and I go to kickboxing classes twice a week. I also participate in 5k and 8k runs my town puts on, and lift weights every day.
I have over 90 volunteer hours at my local hospital/fire department, elected Secretary in NHS chapter, active member of church youth group, and I also co-organized a school clean up day and spaghetti dinner for senior citizens.
The schools I'm listing are:
VMI (I'm a dreamer, what can I say)
Purdue (almost my #1, interviewed there)
Indiana
North Georgia
U South Florida
EDIT: PFA Scores: 54 push ups, 56 sit ups, 6:34 mile
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My school doesn't do that, all classes count as the same.