ROTC Pilot Slot

Learning to fly through a private flight school is going to cost you upward of at least $100 per hour. You'd better land that job pretty dang soon.

why do you procrastinate? Go to McDonalds and learn to flip burgers, go to Walmart and greet, go to Valvoline and schedule my oil change. You aren't getting any smarter or richer by hanging out on the internet.
 
Learning to fly through a private flight school is going to cost you upward of at least $100 per hour. You'd better land that job pretty dang soon.

why do you procrastinate? Go to McDonalds and learn to flip burgers, go to Walmart and greet, go to Valvoline and schedule my oil change. You aren't getting any smarter or richer by hanging out on the internet.

True, I'm not. I'd hate to go apply somewhere and get a job, only to have to leave in another month or two, that's the only reason I'm waiting. I should know within the next couple of weeks though.

Out of curiosity, did your son have any previous flight experience before landing his pilot slot? Or probably not, since he was in AFA he had a good shot of getting a slot anyways.
 
My two sons had limited experience in any airframe but their older bro got his PPL on his 17th birthday, before he could drive.
 
Many of their USAFA classmates had flight time, as did some of their AFROTC friends. Many, most probably, did not.
 
Many of their USAFA classmates had flight time, as did some of their AFROTC friends. Many, most probably, did not.

Most pilot selects do, depending on the year of course, looking at the average pcsms. My rotc class nobody got pilot except those who had flight hours. The rest got CSO/RPA.

And to the OP flying for 6 hours gets you in bracket 2, thats 600ish bucks to possibly impact or change your future. Call your parents or borrow from a family member if you can. That or get a job...
 
Many of their USAFA classmates had flight time, as did some of their AFROTC friends. Many, most probably, did not.

Most pilot selects do, depending on the year of course, looking at the average pcsms. My rotc class nobody got pilot except those who had flight hours. The rest got CSO/RPA.

And to the OP flying for 6 hours gets you in bracket 2, thats 600ish bucks to possibly impact or change your future. Call your parents or borrow from a family member if you can. That or get a job...

I know 6 hours may come out to 600 bucks, but isn't the only way to obtain flight hours through getting your ppl which cost multiple thousands? How else do you obtain flight hours if you're not certified to fly? I didn't think you could just go fly for any select amount of hours without having that. I've still got a lot of research to do, because if I can go get hours of flight time for a couple hundred dollars that's definitely something I can afford.
 
You get your ppl to fly on your own. Anyone can go pay to learn to fly, thus getting hours of instruction. You can stop whenever you want or continue to your license, my advice get 6 hours tell them your goals and then continue when you have the cash.
 
You get your ppl to fly on your own. Anyone can go pay to learn to fly, thus getting hours of instruction. You can stop whenever you want or continue to your license, my advice get 6 hours tell them your goals and then continue when you have the cash.

Yeah I suppose I didn't think enough about it when I read it. Of course by the end of obtaining your ppl you've paid thousands, but like you said if I only have the cash for 10 hours I can do that and then continue when ever, giving me some hours of flight time. You spoke of "bracket 2" though, any more information you can refer me to regarding this?

I need to talk to a recruiter at my det. about it more, but I don't know of the restrictions about when it would be too late for flight hours to go on record. I believe that it's way down the line that anyone looks at you for a pilot slot and if you have a flight hours. Just to put it out there, I have 12 credits at the moment so I'm very much so a freshman, I'll be receiving 9 credits this upcoming spring semester putting me at 21 credits, then I'll be going to school over the summer for my remaining 9 credits, making me a sophomore when August rolls around, and from there on out I'll be going full time staying on track. That's just a little overview of what I'm looking at, and trying to plan for, I'm hoping that I'm not too late.
 
You get your ppl to fly on your own. Anyone can go pay to learn to fly, thus getting hours of instruction. You can stop whenever you want or continue to your license, my advice get 6 hours tell them your goals and then continue when you have the cash.

Yeah I suppose I didn't think enough about it when I read it. Of course by the end of obtaining your ppl you've paid thousands, but like you said if I only have the cash for 10 hours I can do that and then continue when ever, giving me some hours of flight time. You spoke of "bracket 2" though, any more information you can refer me to regarding this?

I need to talk to a recruiter at my det. about it more, but I don't know of the restrictions about when it would be too late for flight hours to go on record. I believe that it's way down the line that anyone looks at you for a pilot slot and if you have a flight hours. Just to put it out there, I have 12 credits at the moment so I'm very much so a freshman, I'll be receiving 9 credits this upcoming spring semester putting me at 21 credits, then I'll be going to school over the summer for my remaining 9 credits, making me a sophomore when August rolls around, and from there on out I'll be going full time staying on track. That's just a little overview of what I'm looking at, and trying to plan for, I'm hoping that I'm not too late.
Google PCSM and read the FAQ on the official website.
 
@Zero

Thanks. I didn't recognize the name of the site at first but I visited it earlier today, saw that "Previous flying hours(Experience)" was the very first bullet point. I just wasn't using my head and thought "I've either got to drop 7 grand getting my ppl or get no flying hours at all". I suppose I'm not too worried about that now then.
 
Learning to fly through a private flight school is going to cost you upward of at least $100 per hour

Just putting it out there, but depending on where they live it is more likely to cost closer to 200 an hour. In NC and VA we did not spend less than 175 an hour. Of course that was when gas prices were higher, thus prices may have dropped since that time.

For me personally, I think the cost is well worth it for many reasons, listed in order when it can start to impact.
1. AFOQT
~ 200 year. This exam will be part of your score for SFT selection. Pilot and Nav are parts of the exam. You can find test questions on line.
2. TBAS
~300 year. This exam is part of your rated board score. Cadets sign paperwork stating they will not discuss what is on the exam, thus don't try to find test questions.
3. IFT/UPT
It will make you more comfortable at first in every aspect.
~The 1st few days at IFT will be academics and exams. BOLD testing may seem simple, but missing or misplacing one comma, colon, period, etc. and you got the question wrong. I believe that a failing score is an 85.
~~ Bold means certain words are in BOLD.
~ Crosswinds can be an issue for takeoff and landing. Having flight hours may make it easier for you from experience to adjust compared to a student that has no flight time.
~ Briefing/debriefing.
~~ That will be part of your review as a student from your IP. You will do this also as a PPL student, but at a much lower expectation level. Yet, it will get accustomed to talking in front of people in this situation.

As I said, the edge is early on, later on it all equals out. There are students that have a PPL and do not get a fighter, while the student that had no hours does get one. And yes, there are students with a PPL that do not wing. The reason why is the pace moves a heck of a lot faster than any student can imagine, even if they do a ton of research.

I don't know of the restrictions about when it would be too late for flight hours to go on record
You have several years to get them, because as you stated you will not be a sophomore until Fall 2016. You won't take the TBAS until @ this time 2017.

JMPO and with $2.07 you can get a small coffee at Starbucks. I would check into how AFROTC views your major. Not all computer degrees are considered a tech degree. This is important because for SFT selection the rate does vary along with the avg cgpa.
~ Tech majors can feel more comfortable with a 3.0/3.1, but non-tech cgpa is usually around 3.3/3.4. The "bad" year when there was an overall selection rate of 58%, but the cadets that were tech and wanted rated had a rate of 63%. Non-tech going rated was around the national overall rate of 58%.
~~ It is important to also understand that it is national. HQ AFROTC could not care less if 100% are selected from one unit and 0% from another. They will determine their individual score and how many they will attend, from there they draw a line. If your score is above that number, you attend, below and you will not.

There are some units that traditionally send more (%) than the avg. This is something you should discuss with the incoming unit. What is their avg cgpa, AFOQT and PFA for their det. regarding selection? Their cgpa maybe 3.3 tech or it maybe 2.9.

Additionally, this goes back to what you consider on track from an academic rigor and juggling life. For many colleges a tech major min. course load is 18-21 credit hours to graduate on time.
~ As you rise within the ROTC ranks, you will have a job/position. It will not just be show up for LLAB and PT. If you become a CFC, you will attend weekly staff meetings...more hours. You will write reports/reviews for those cadets in your flight...more hours.
~~ Some units will assign a GMC to a POC for mentoring purposes. Think if it like allowing the new kids on the block talking to you privately. Some will use it a lot, some will not. In the ADAF world they call them their sponsor when they PCS to a new base.
~~ Some units will have mandated volunteering. At DS's unit for the det. to make money to offset costs of military dining in/outs they clean up the football stadium 2-3x a semester. The college pays them to do this. The cadets arrive Sun. at 7 a.m. and it takes them about 5 hrs.
~~~ His unit also did the Susan G. Kohlman run and Relay for Life. It was expected that all of the cadets participate in those too.

Just saying that it is not uncommon for cadets to carry 21 credit hours and 15-20 hours weekly on top of that for ROTC while maintaining a strong cgpa.

Finally, something that we have not touched upon. Physical ability (PFA). We don't need to know details, but you should realize they will care about those scores. If right now you are closer to an 8 min mile than a 7 min. mile, you need to work on your run time. For sit ups and push ups I have seen so many posters say they can do great, but the thing is the unit will be looking at your form too. If it is not to their standard, than they will not count it. You have wasted time and energy for nothing. Download the CFA. It will show you the form that they will use.
~ The PFA is going to be the 1st impression at your det. as a new cadet. They typically do it the 1st week of school. They do not care if it is 99 degrees and 95% humidity, nor 30 degrees. They plan the day and unless the weather is not within the standards it will occur. This is something you have complete control over. They don't take this aspect lightly because part of SFT selection score will be your PFA. Not maxxing means to me you left points on the table.
~~ There is a thread here addressing how some units place an emphasis on this aspect.
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com...appens-will-i-get-cut-from-the-program.45486/

If you read through the thread, you will see one poster has stated that their units goal is 98 on the PFA. Overall on this site I would say 95 is avg. 75 is failing. It is a 100 pt scale.
 
@Pima

Thanks again for the useful information. Good news to hear that on top of everything else, I'm not in a rush to get flight hours in.

I don't see the work load as being a problem since if I end up going through with joining, I'll be spending 90% of my time dedicated to school/rotc/volunteering, etc, and not video games or partying like I've so regretfully done thus far.

As far as timing goes, I've asked around (online, not my det. yet for official information) that my schedule I posted in a previous post (I'll reach 30 credits by the end of summer 2016) shows I should be on time to join ROTC as a 250 Fall 2016 when I become a sophomore, which means I should probably talk to my det. within the next upcoming month, even if it's just for more information.

I'm also to assume that based on an answer I received online that if rotc ends up for what ever reason being not for me, or something goes wrong medically, that even though I'm joining as a 250, I won't be signing any contracts for that whole year until the end when/if I'm picked to go to the three week training camp (I forget the name) that bridges you into your POC years, and that is the time where you contract/cannot drop without consequences (I'm non scholarship so I believe this is how it would work for me, no "contracts" until right before joining POC, aka I would have a year to see how I do if I join as a sophomore).

Again thanks for sticking with my thread for so long, few people I've met online have been as helpful when it comes to someone who asks as many questions as I do.
 
You are correct. You will not be contracted since you are not scholarship.
~ I don't know if the AFROTC scholarship board has closed yet for this year, I doubt it, but I would suggest that you look into that now. As in yesterday.
~~Your credits are low enough to compete for the HSSP. Contact the det. because as an incoming next fall I think you will still be in the parameters for HSSP or ICSP scholarship. AFROTC will only pay tuition.

You will enter as a 250. Even if selected for SFT (Summer Field Training), you can back out with no issues. Going and graduating from SFT is a different story regarding leaving with no issue.
~ You will not sign(contract) prior to attending SFT as a non-scholarship cadet.

The beauty of this site is we want to see posters get their dream of commissioning and defending this great county. We may be harsh at times, but impo that is to see if they can "hang". If an anonymous forum can make you 2nd think your path, than it is probably not for you. If you push back, after being attacked on multiple fronts than GOOD ON YOU, you now get that this is not going to be an easy path, especially if you want rated.
~ You want to see the "real" AF, go to baseops.net.

I wish you the very best. I hope that your dreams come true.
 
Partying...
Just what type of partying are we discussing? You didn't actually mention this little tidbit before. You are underage for alcohol and I assume you cannot possible mean illegal drugs.

There can be some repercussions about such partying... please describe.
 
Partying...
Just what type of partying are we discussing? You didn't actually mention this little tidbit before. You are underage for alcohol and I assume you cannot possible mean illegal drugs.

There can be some repercussions about such partying... please describe.

Sorry, me and my high school friends definition of "partying" is FAR different than most 19 year olds definitions of partying, haha. No drugs or alcohol, just boring old us sitting around playing video games or football outside.
 
You are correct. You will not be contracted since you are not scholarship.
~ I don't know if the AFROTC scholarship board has closed yet for this year, I doubt it, but I would suggest that you look into that now. As in yesterday.
~~Your credits are low enough to compete for the HSSP. Contact the det. because as an incoming next fall I think you will still be in the parameters for HSSP or ICSP scholarship. AFROTC will only pay tuition.

You will enter as a 250. Even if selected for SFT (Summer Field Training), you can back out with no issues. Going and graduating from SFT is a different story regarding leaving with no issue.
~ You will not sign(contract) prior to attending SFT as a non-scholarship cadet.

The beauty of this site is we want to see posters get their dream of commissioning and defending this great county. We may be harsh at times, but impo that is to see if they can "hang". If an anonymous forum can make you 2nd think your path, than it is probably not for you. If you push back, after being attacked on multiple fronts than GOOD ON YOU, you now get that this is not going to be an easy path, especially if you want rated.
~ You want to see the "real" AF, go to baseops.net.

I wish you the very best. I hope that your dreams come true.

Thank you for those last couple of words you gave me. Nothing anyone says on these forums could make me back down from something I really want to do. I'm just the kind of person that will take all the time I can to make sure I make correct decisions when it comes to decisions important as these, I love taking in everyone's opinions and using them to compare/contrast to mine.
 
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