ROTC Scholarship acceptance

dg833

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Hello! I am a graduating junior and plan to apply for an AFROTC scholarship next summer. I will have to apply then because I am not old enough and I want to go ahead and do a year at a local community college and get some prerequisites knocked out. I wanted to ask the community what my rough chances are at being awarded a scholarship.

GPA: I’m not sure, but it is going to be 3.7 or higher. I took 2 AP english classes.
ACT: I took a residual form which does not count, did not study, made a 29. Planning to attempt to score in the upper 30s with a lot of practice and studying.
Leadership: I neglected leadership opportunities in high school
Athletics: I did not participate in athletics in high school, but I plan to max out or be very close on the PFT
Extracurricular: I have been teaching a learning disabled student English and reading, and have been aiding an Adult in some of the same ways that is part of a program at my local community college that is intended to better their lives.
I intend to go to Ole Miss get a Bachelors in Engineering with Emphasis on Aerospace studies.
Am I missing anything? If so, let me know. Thank you!
 
no leadership and no athletics it seems you're going to really struggle - other who know more will hopefully jump in with more advice
 
I agree with the last post, but my question is how old are you? My son applied when he was 17. You just need parental consent.
 
This may sound harsh, but it is meant to make you the best candidate you can be from a WCS perspective. WCS = WHOLE CANDIDATE. They don't want just the books smart, or the jock or the kid with 5000 volunteer hrs. They want the candidate with all 3
1. Academics (PAR)
~ No offense, but it is my pet peeve when posters say my gpa is X.YZ. It may sound great, but remember that on your official transcript they will state things, such as if it is on a 7 pt or 10 pt scale. What the weight scale is for honors/AP/IBs. How many students take AP/IBs. Class rank. So on and so forth. Thus, you can tell us you have a 3.7, but in the end HQ AFROTC will do their own algorithm using your school profile to determine what they consider your gpa is. There are tens of thousands of high schools across the nation. The scholarship is national, thus, they have to mathematically create a system so the candidates are all on the same playing field. Our DS's went up bc his HS used a 7 pt scale, with a 4.5 weight scale for AP, whereas, some go down bc the HS uses a 10 pt with a 5.0 weight scale.
~ If you are applying next yr., it will be the same as if you would be applying as a SR in HS, with some caveats which I will get to later. However, the big point is HQ AFROTC does not take into account anything from your SR yr, be it classes or leadership, they only thing they do take into account is a new SAT/ACT.
~~ You need to be careful of how many college credits you take, bc there is a limit for the HSSP. I doubt you will hit it, but beware.
~ SAT/ACT is best sitting, not superscore, so pound it out to be at least 33 since your ECS are weak. If you can take the PSAT, do so for multiple reasons. 1st is if you score in the 95 percentile, you will be eligible for the NMSF, which looks good on your resume. 2nd some kids do better on the SAT than the ACT.
2. ECs
~ You need to step up your game here, as in yesterday. The reason they look at ECs is bc it shows that while maintaining a high gpa, they are juggling life outside of the classroom at the same time. Again, they don't want just the book smart kid.
~~ AFROTC scholarship is national, HQ couldn't care if Ole Miss has 100% or 0% on scholarship, unlike AROTC and NROTC where it is tied to both the cadet and the school. They say we have 942 scholarships, top 942 get the scholarship regardless of the school they are attending or the state they are from.
~~~ AFROTC and USAFA do not talk regarding scholarships or appointments. 95% of USAFA candidates will apply for AFROTC as plan B, but 95% of AFROTC candidates will not apply to USAFA as plan B. Point being, you are also competing against USAFA candidates too.

Just saying, you can't leave points on the table, get involved now with something you love, and something you will stick with for the next yr or 2. Get a job at Target and still volunteer. Show them you more than just go to school and home with 15 hrs a week volunteering.

3. PFA
~ This is the one area you truly control. Although it may seem the pts are low from the WCS aspect, in the end only about 16-18% of applicants will be awarded a scholarship, and it can come down to a tenth of a decimal point on their WCS. You don't want to look back and say if I ran only 30 seconds faster or did two more pushups.
~~ PFA matters to activate the scholarship too. You bust it and they will not activate it until you pass. Busting it 1x is not uncommon that 1st week in ROTC because of form (push up/sit ups, lack of training over the summer, or fair weather training---nice weather days), but you are immediately on their radar, twice and you are in trouble.
4. Majors
~ Got to ask you only have 2 APs, and they are in English. Where do you stand with Chem, Physics, Calc, etc? The problem with going STEM aka TECH for AFROTC is if you are awarded a scholarship and decide to go non-tech, you will most likely lose the AFROTC scholarship.
5. CC
~ You can join AFROTC as a student at a CC, non-contracted. It is what people call x-town dets. IOWS, you will go to school at your local CC, and on certain days you will go to the host college for PT and LLAB. Beware that host school can be 15 mins away, or 60 mins.
~~ You don't have to, but you may want to, especially if your local CC is attached to Ole Miss. Another reason why even if Ole Miss is not the host, is because, as much as you think you want AFROTC as a 16 yr old, once in the program reality sinks in regarding what AFROTC is like as a college student and what your future will look like upon graduation/commissioning. You could do the yr at CC, not do AFROTC, go to Ole Miss and hate the program. Or you can go xtown in CC and realize once at Ole Miss you have no desire to be in AFROTC and make your life easier once there.

Sorry for the novella, but I really think it is important you see the big picture at this point since you are graduating so young from HS. I truly wish you every best hope and thoughts in the world. Go for it. Shore up the holes in your resume now so you can present the best packet next July/Aug for the Oct. board in 2019, 2020 FY scholarships. If you decide to wait until the 2020 boards, 2021 FY you will not be an HSSP because you will have over 30 credits.
 
DG833. I would stop and think about graduating prematurely. Most top graduates graduate with 30+ credits. They do this not because they want to wait but because they know that graduation in 4 years with their class is the norm and maximizes their best chance to best schools. My DS had enough credits to graduate with min credits in his Sophomore year. But why compete with stronger Seniors. No point! Graduating early may sound cool but not cool when you are out muscled in college by older freshman who are 18-19. You will be out performed in many ways in maturity, experience, intellect, and physical performance. If I were you I would graduate with your class in senior year and enjoy high school and enjoy learning more before you dive into a more difficult collegiate environment. Don’t rush but take your time to improve your everything. Your GPA can be higher and so can your ACT. And your ECs will be better presentable because you have more time to work on them. Current AFROTC Awardee average is

T1/T2: GPA 3.83, ACT 31
T3: GPA 3.79, ACT 31

You want to be above the average to come on top especially when your ECs and academic quality of classes are below Air Force average. AFROTC don’t super score ACT/SAT so you want to take few tests to achieve your best. Stay in school and improve your overall package.
 
Thank you for your response. I really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to inform me on the scholarship. I have a couple more questions that I am trying to figure out, though. First off, what extracurricular may i be involved in outside of high school? I know it sounds like a stupid question, but I really don’t know what my options may be. Also, were you saying the HSSP caps my college credits at 30 to be awarded it? I’m assuming I am allowed to apply even though I will no longer be in high school. Do you know what all the Scholarship pays, like would it pay for room and board or just go towards my tuition, books, and fees?
 
Do you know what all the Scholarship pays, like would it pay for room and board or just go towards my tuition, books, and fees?
If you're talking AROTC, it can be used to pay tuition, books, and fees OR room and board.... not both. If being used for room and board it will count as income for tax purposes.
First off, what extracurricular may i be involved in outside of high school?
It could be something at your church. It could be Civil Air Patrol, Sea Cadets, Scouts, or any activity that is not associated with your high school (if I understand what you're asking).
Also, were you saying the HSSP caps my college credits at 30 to be awarded it?
Yes. They want you to be in college for 4 years from the time you start the program, because it normally takes that amount of time to train you and get through all the ROTC academic requirements. And yes you do not have to be in high school to apply.
 
Do you know what all the Scholarship pays, like would it pay for room and board or just go towards my tuition, books, and fees?
If you're talking AROTC, it can be used to pay tuition, books, and fees OR room and board.... not both. If being used for room and board it will count as income for tax purposes.
First off, what extracurricular may i be involved in outside of high school?
It could be something at your church. It could be Civil Air Patrol, Sea Cadets, Scouts, or any activity that is not associated with your high school (if I understand what you're asking).
Also, were you saying the HSSP caps my college credits at 30 to be awarded it?
Yes. They want you to be in college for 4 years from the time you start the program, because it normally takes that amount of time to train you and get through all the ROTC academic requirements. And yes you do not have to be in high school to apply.
He wants AFROTC, so it would be only for tuition, books and fees. No R &B option unless the college offers it to ROTC students.

Plus, depending on the type of scholarship awarded by AFROTC, it could be IS only (Type 7), 18K a yr(Type 2) or full tuition, no limit (Type 1)

dg833, you need to investigate everything. Use the search tabs here or Google. You will find most of your answers.
 
What Pima said. AFROTC and NROTC only allow for tuition.
 
For extra curriculars, don't just join and participate in something. You need to show your ability to lead with some measure of independence - something that will stand out that you can be proud of. This can be school-related or outside the school but be selective such that it shows you taking incentive and if possible, leading others. If you stay in school for your senior year, be more active in school ECs. There are generally lots of clubs and other activities that you can become involved with - talk to your counselor about your goals and find a good fit.
 
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