ROTC scholarship at Virginia Tech

yes, i want to serve and would prefer to be posted abroad! Im looking forward to a good military career! Im 99% sure this is what i want with my life. Grant it I do understand that that can change later in life but for a pretty long time, i knew I wanted to go in the military. Worst comes to worst, if I dont like it, it is only 4 years after college then reserve for a little longer. But hopefully i can get a job I want and make the best of my service and wake up every day ready to serve!
 
You should also investigate the career options for each branch before committing to an ROTC program. Some people can do any branch because every branch offers their field. Some should only look at one or two branches. Let's be honest if you have no desire to be on water, NROTC should not be on the list. If you want to fly Helo's and not on water, AROTC should be your choice.

When you consider ROTC you have a lot of options and you need to address each, which is: School, Program and career field.
 
well my main goal is AFROTC, but currently if seems like getting a scholarship in the air force or a commission is going to be extremely difficult. I dont really want to be on a boat so im not strongly considering NROTC. There are way more jobs I am interested in though in the air force, but still quite a few in the army. Of course if I get a scholarship in any branch i will go that branch. But if dont get a scholarship it would be a hard choice between the air force and army. I would have to take into consideration the possibility of a 3 year scholarship which seems more realistic with the army. But i still have a while till I have to chose. What are some major factors I should consider between AFROTC and ARTOC?
 
The difference between ROTCs are negligible, the programs run close to the same. However, remember that for AF you will go AD upon commissioning, and that is not necessarily true for the Army.

Select the ROTC branch that you want to live full time as an officer after graduation. 4 yrs ROTC in college is not 24/7. 4 yrs after graduation IS!

It is also important to realize some career fields are highly sought after and that plays into the equation. I would say after flying for AFROTC the most sought after is Intel. I don't know if that is true for AROTC.

I would not give up on AFROTC, and as much as you believe AROTC maybe an easier scholarship to obtain, you need to talk to the unit. Remember the way AROTC scholarships work is they come down to the actual unit. Your stats maybe strong enough to be accepted, but not high enough to get a AROTC scholarship, even a 3 yr. You should ask them with my resume what are my chances of getting a scholarship? Anybody in the BN/Det. would be able to see from historical data where you are lining up.

You are placing 2 big ROTC schools at the top of your list. NCST may have lower SAT stats than VT or A & M, but it will be AROTC that makes the decision, and you need to find out if your stats are on par for their unit. This goes back to nothing stinks more than getting accepted and not getting the scholarship.

Either way the best advice is to plan as if there will be no scholarship. Start investigating other scholarships/grants out there. You will be allowed to use outside scholarships in combo with ROTC scholarship, thus, no harm, no foul
 
Average Air Force ROTC Scholarship:
Technical major/degree (very few non-tech scholarship)
AF Scholarship Types
------Type 1-----Type 2-----Type 7
SAT--- 1464-------1327 -----1238
ACT--- 32---------31----------28
GPA--- 3.88-------3.88--------3.77

Average Army ROTC Scholarship:
Any major/degree
GPA 3.5
ACT/SAT 26/1186
 
Well I could pay NC state and Texas A&M without a scholarship because NC state is instate and Texas A&M gives in state to anyone in the Corps, but i dont really want to be that far away from home, like you said i want to be able to come home on 3 day weekends. From those academic stats I have a way better shot of getting an ARTOC scholarship than an AFROTC, which is okay with me. But Go Jack is army intelligence just as hard as getting into AF intelligence. Because of course my top slot is aviation, but I know the chances are slim to none. Could you guys rank these in level if competativeness for me, as these are the jobs I am interested in, in order of interest for each Branch.

Army
1. Pilot
2. Intelligence
3. Psychological Operations
4. Special Forces
5. MP
6. Armor

I cant really find anything else that interest me in the army, like i dont really want to do armor, but i feel like it is not sought after as much and is my backup. But if you can suggest some interesting fields I might be missing, please let me know!

Air Force
1. Pilot
2. Intelligence
3. Special Investigations Officer (OSI)
4. Air Liaison Officer
5. Combat Recuse Officer/Control and Recovery Officer/Force Support Officer/Combat Systems Officer/ Air Battle Manager
6. Security Forces

On 5 I have the same level of interest in each of those fields, but please let me know the competitive each one is. Thanks for all you time and advice!
 
As an AFROTC Mom, I think you are wrong to assume for AF that getting a pilot slot is slim to none. This yr for VT, and our DS's school 100% that applied for rated, got rated. Granted some got CSO or UAVs, but 100% got rated.

I believe VT had 11 cadets apply and 11 got UPT. DS's had 8 or 10, and only 2 did not get UPT, 1 because of vision, the other got UAVs.

Here's the deal for either branch your OML is going to be the deciding factor. What are the parts of the OML? Big one, GPA!

This is another reason to chose your major wisely. That GPA is going to be on you like a weight regardless of scholarship or not.

DS got a pilot slot, he also is scholarship, BUT he is nor has never been a tech major. He is a govt major, a major he thoroughly enjoys and because of that he has maintained a very strong gpa his entire college career. Had he been a tech major, I am sure right now I would be a parent saying he lost his scholarship and probably his chance to be commissioned let alone UPT. Understand he had a 720 on his M SAT, and 36 M for his ACT. He can do Math and Science, but he hates doing it.

As I stated before ROTC is a small part of the equation, school is the larger part. You can love ROTC, but if you hate the school or the major you will always be in constant turmoil, and in the end it will hurt you from a ROTC position.

AFROTC is one of the more competitive scholarships out there. I would say NROTC is the most competitive. However, you need to understand this is only phase 1 in the path of getting commissioned.

Phase 2: Freshman yr
Success in ROTC every day.
~~~ PFT
~~~ Jobs in the det*
~~~ Command ranking

ROTC is not just about classes and drills, but you work up the rank like you do in the AD world. You will get evaluated on performance in these positions. They require time outside of classes and drills. You will have meetings with the command. You will write reviews of cadets. That equates into taking time away from studying which can def. ding your gpa.

Phase 3: Sophomore yr
SFT selection...this is a board like scholarships
~~~Do poorly in Phase 2 and you can expect not to get Phase 3.
~~~ AFOQT scores will be placed into the equation.
Again they are going to look at your entire packet. If you do not get SFT, you can't become a POC. No POC = no commissioning.

This yr was a harsh yr. I believe they said the avg CGPA was @3.2 for tech, and 3.4 non-tech. The selection rate was @50%. Speculation is by your yr group the pipeline will be flowing again and the rate of acceptance will increase.

Phase 4: Sr yr

Another board, this time for your career field. Notice do not pass Phase 3, and it is do not pass go!

Your ranking out of SFT will now be added into the equation for your OML.
GPA, PFT, TBAS, AFOQT, CoC rec all account for % to give you a final score.

Highest wins! That is true for all the career fields not just rated.

The twist for AFROTC is rated boards go first, and if a cadet does not get selected they are placed into the non-rated board. That is why non-rated goes later. It use to be career boards were in your JR. yr, but this was the last yr that they are supposedly doing that. Rated got theirs in March, but non-rated was pushed back to Sept.

I believe this is true since AFA cadets C2C's were informed that they will not get theirs until this summer.

As you can see it is a never ending saga. Not only that, but it is like building a house, you build upon what you achieved prior.

I would also state 2 things:
1. You have 0% chance of getting a scholarship if you don't apply! The worse thing they can do is say no!
2. Understand the AF is just starting to come out of what I call "purging". The last few yrs have been brutal. It is expected that commissioning yr group 17 will be the return of normalcy.

Do not assume anything. DS entered college in 08, at that time everyone went to SFT. Now in 11, it is dog eat dog. It changes that quickly.

AF has really cut hard re:ROTC and OCS. To the point that they canceled the OCS board last yr. You should not assume that the Army is not going through it. Clarkson stated that this yr his scholarships were drastically cut. I believe he said a few yrs back they had 20, and now they are down to 6, it might not have been him, maybe it was Marist.

The DoD budget is being chopped big time. Adm. Mullen has stated even pay for AD members is on the table. It is important to realize that ROTC comes under DoD, and sometimes it is all about timing, something you have no control over. It is a crappy economy, and a downsizing military, which makes it the perfect storm.

Never give up, but always be informed.
 
Army
1. Pilot
2. Intelligence
3. Psychological Operations
4. Special Forces
5. MP
6. Armor

These are all highly sought after, 2+ candidates for every slot.
Pilot, Special Forces schools will require additional Active Duty Service Obligation (ADSO)
For Intelligence, Psychological Operations/Civil Affairs and Special Forces --
study a critical language. To be highly competitive you want an 3.5+ GPA and do well in ROTC.
 
You should also take time to decide if you want fixed or rotor. If flying a helo is your goal, GO ARMY.

If flying a fixed, GO AF.

I have to say gojack, 3.5+ is a scary thought, especially for a tech major. VT is not a school that hands out A's like candy for techs. It is the common joke that after fall finals the business school sets up a table outside for engineering students to transfer in.

I can't even begin to fathom a 3.5+ gpa tech major, 19-21 credits with ROTC and a social life at VT. Let me re-phrase that...I can't imagine it without talking them down off a ledge as a freshman. 3.5 equates to basically 2 B's and 3 A's. WOW.

I thought the AF was competitive, but hands down the Army beats them! I have to ask why is it that competitive. Rule of thumb AFROTC is 3.2 for rated techs, 3.4 for non-techs. Is it because for Army you do not necessarily go AD like AF, and you are saying to go AD in those fields you need to be over the 3.5?
 
what fields in the army are not so competitive so i can kinda get a "worse case" idea. I didnt think armor was that competitive! Also are u guaranteed an AD slot in the AF and navy even in these times as they are cutting back officers from a normal ROTC college?
 
you are saying to go AD in those fields you need to be over the 3.5?

To have some certainty of getting first or second choice AD slots in the most competitive fields
(target to be in top ~20% OLM) - remember the Army does not distinguish between tech/non-tech
majors so a nuclear physics major is competing with a sociology major.

A neighbor's son (dad was a PMS) is majoring in anthropology for that specific reason.

You still have a good shot at your branch between a 3.0 and a 3.5 GPA, but not much certainty.

Go Here pg 20 for the exact numbers (Armor 142 slots, 234 1st choice apps)
 
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that seems like an unfair system, why do they not take in consideration your major? If you majoring in computer science you should be able to get a lower grade then some one majoring in basket weaving. So if you want to get a good slot out of ARTOC, unless you are extremely bright, you need to take a major that you can achieve high grades in, like political science?
 
As long as you are commissioned in the AF you go AD. Please understand that even as an AFROTC cadet not everyone makes the cut. When you take the oath you are AD. You may wait to go to the career school, and during that time you are not AD, but once there you are AD, just like SA grads.

I am actually not shocked that armor is competitive. Let's be honest, many join because they want to be on the ground fighting, and that means armor.

How about we take it from a different approach what is the least competitive for AF?

1. Mission Support
2. Communications
3. Accounting and Finance

I am betting that is probably true for Army too.

sjbd94 said:
you need to take a major that you can achieve high grades in, like political science?

I mean this in kindness, but as a rising HS sr who has a 1500 out of 2400 SAT score, and a Mom who has a DS AFROTC scholarship with a UPT slot (commissioning 2012) in political science (also interned for your NC Senator on the Hill) and scored 1390 (M/V) out of 1600 that was rude!

We are here to help and assist, but until you live college please be respectful and refrain from comments like that.

I also will say as a VT Mom for DD, even poli sci at VT is not easy. Again, their avg SAT is hovering @ 1260. Sorry, but you stepped on Mama Bear's toes and insulted her cubs.
 
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Pima: Pretty sure he did not intend to insult anyone. You have heard the term fuzzy major and poli sci is in that group. There is a conception that they are easy. It is a stereo-type.

That said as an engineering major, I needed to pick up an extra couple of non-tech electives and took a sociology class. I figured not much work, an easy A. I never worked so hard for a C in my life! I was definitely in the bottom half of the class and I was not accustomed to that. The required skill set is different.

Whether it is fair or not, the Army mostly says major does not matter. If you are going to be a career guy take whatever you think you can do well in. If you are going to get out at 5 you may want to think about how that "easy" major is going to serve you in the civilian world.
 
yah didnt mean to "insult" u or your son, as packer said i've been told social sciences where considered easier majors. But i guess i was wrong. I would like to think of myself as a career military guy, but the idea of sacrificing one of my interned majors just to have a better shot at getting in the aviation, etc. just doesnt seem like a smart thing to do. But then again things can change when i get into college so i will just have to wait and see!
 
There is going to be a huge difference between a degree in polysci
from Georgetown and a degree in polysci Black Hills State.
But it's not just the degrees - it universities as well,
any degree from Black Hills State is treated the same as any degree from MIT.
If you are in a program where you are going to really struggle, "it's gunna hurt ya"

The take away is to find a program at a school that you can really excel at.
The school and program are less important than being in the top
of your class. (from the Army point of view)

BTW: Black Hills State is as easy as it sounds, and they offer AROTC -
Beautiful area to boot cheap also
 
I think we have beaten the bush dead.

SJBD94,

Look inside yourself and decide which branch is the best match for your desires. Investigate how to succeed in that system.

Honestly, I am sure you want me to say VT will admit you with a ROTC scholarship from a chance me perspective, but I can't give that and I won't.

No sugar coating, but unless you can pull a 28+ ACT your SAT scores are not a match for VT as an OOS, regardless of scholarship or branch.

gojack said:
If you are in a program where you are going to really struggle, "it's gunna hurt ya"

The take away is to find a program at a school that you can really excel at.
The school and program are less important than being in the top
of your class. (from the Army point of view)

That is also true for AF. The only twist is program does play into the equation, tech v non tech, and even that is a very. very, small %. There is a tipping quotient. Notice most posters will say non-tech for AF rated need a 3.4, but a 3.2 will do for tech. Extrapolate that out. 3.0 tech is probably going to lose out to the 3.4 non-tech.

OBTW, FWIW, remember scholarship recipients are required to maintain a certain gpa. I think it is 2.8 or 3.0, not sure. However, I am sure enough to say in this economy meeting the min is not going to be high enough for SFT (LDAC) and you now can kiss the scholarship BUH-BYE as a jr in college because the military already deemed you non-competitive as an ROTC cadet and are not promoting you to POC. scholarship revoked, commissioning on the line.

Please go back and read Phases!

Sorry for being pissy, but I can only handle so much before I go "WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD". I am not known to be one that hands out sugar cones with your dream ice cream and sprinkles. I prefer to hand out cake cones and give you the option of what is there to serve.

Your choice, tell me what you want served. Reality or fantasy. I am willing to give you either.
 
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trust me i know i cant get into VT currently or have a chance at an ROTC scholarship right now. I have taken the SAT only once, worked till 1am the previous day and havent taken a math for a year at the time i took it, so there is plenty of room for improvement. If i get my those scores up, im taking the ACT tomorrow, I think I can have a chance. I have good EC's (job, sports, NHS, internships) and i know i can get some good recommendations from my teachers. VT is a strictly numbers schools so alot of these things dont matter to them. But for things like ROTC that look at the whole person I am a pretty decent candidate, especially if my ACT scores turn out good. If i dont get into VT, which is highly possible, NC State is still a good school with strong ROTC and computers programs that i would excel at. Also im only a 2 hour drive from home!
 
Apply to the schools that you are interested in. If you don't apply you won't get in. Same for ROTC scholarship.

You know your test scores are an issue. The ACT is tomorrow. You are spending a lot of time on this forum. Are you focused on what you should be? Make sure you are prioritizing correctly.
 
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Originally Posted by gojack
If you are in a program where you are going to really struggle, "it's gunna hurt ya"

The take away is to find a program at a school that you can really excel at.
The school and program are less important than being in the top
of your class. (from the Army point of view)
That is also true for AF. The only twist is program does play into the equation, tech v non tech, and even that is a very. very, small %. There is a tipping quotient. Notice most posters will say non-tech for AF rated need a 3.4, but a 3.2 will do for tech. Extrapolate that out. 3.0 tech is probably going to lose out to the 3.4 non-tech.

OBTW, FWIW, remember scholarship recipients are required to maintain a certain gpa. I think it is 2.8 or 3.0, not sure. However, I am sure enough to say in this economy meeting the min is not going to be high enough for SFT (LDAC) and you now can kiss the scholarship BUH-BYE as a jr in college because the military already deemed you non-competitive as an ROTC cadet and are not promoting you to POC. scholarship revoked, commissioning on the line.

I have been thinking about this for the last few days. I was aware of it but had never thought of it as promoting the "easy route" before. My advice has always been to go to a school you like and is the best school you can get into. Typically the best schools one can get into are going to be more difficult. This seems like if you have 32 ACT scores and want to serve maybe you should play it safe and go to a school that has an average 24 ACT so you can more easily achieve high marks. I can't see how this serves the military or the person well. I know it is the system and there is nothing I am going to do that will change it. I can't in good conscience tell my own kids or any other kids to go to an "easy" school so you can get good grades. The grades are important but it is what you learn that will make you competent and successful in your field. I am obviously a bit conflicted on this.
 
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