ROTC scholarship for Jr in Highschool + RSP split ship program = Guaranteed Officer?

[GuardGun]

You made a lot of good points, I just need to figure a way to compile the most important parts into a paragraph and send it to her to really read it. I can talk to her but reading drills it into her head more. I'm wanting to serve as well, just not how she is.

I've talked to some recruiters that I put in the same boat as Car Salesmen....they're that bad. lol

Caveat- Not a knock on recruiters at all, they serve their purpose. I've also met some stellar recruiters, and one that tried for years to put me in the Guard ended up helping me on my path to ROTC (though he's now a officer recruiter for the state guard).

yes my gf wanted to get into MP in the army, but her recruiter told her there was no slots for this summer? Sounds like her guard unit just needs ADA slots.

 

[Pima]

I know this is going to come off wrong, but in time you will get my drift

Do you know what they call kids that enter college as high school sweethearts and marry?
~ The 2% club, That is the statistical chance.

Your heart is in the right place, but no offense, this is her decision. You are young and I highly doubt she will listen to you.
~~~Do you know their financial situation? Maybe, this option is worth the risk, because all they see here is opinions from posters with no facts.

All you can do is plant the seed. Love her, support her, but after that you need to place yourself first and move on with your life, which means accepting her decision.

 

[GuardGun]

I know this is going to come off wrong, but in time you will get my drift

Do you know what they call kids that enter college as high school sweethearts and marry?
~ The 2% club, That is the statistical chance.

Whoa there, nobody said ANYTHING about marriage...
Thanks for your philosophical views on love, but this thread is about the military, not trying to keep a HS relationship together...
In today's world, most married couples have a hard enough time staying together, you think I'm really expecting things to go smoothly?

Completely irrelevant, the thread is about the military, not us. We are well aware that we will probably not last, I'm going active duty into the AF. Personally, I'm leaning towards splitting with her, we are still going to be friends.

Your heart is in the right place, but no offense, this is her decision. You are young and I highly doubt she will listen to you.
~~~Do you know their financial situation? Maybe, this option is worth the risk, because all they see here is opinions from posters with no facts.

I'm not trying to force her out of this, honestly guard would be easier for us to spend time together in between deployments, I just thought it was fishy that her recruiter guaranteed her an officer spot as a JR in HS. Her financial situation is fine. her dad makes enough money to support them, pay the bills and still do lots of extra things. Money has not been an issue for her to join.

All you can do is plant the seed. Love her, support her, but after that you need to place yourself first and move on with your life, which means accepting her decision.

read above.
I'd just rather her choose an MOS she can use afterwards, or join the AF AD, not for me but for herself, and the benefits.

 

[Pima]

Okey dokey...no need to freak out.
~~~ internet forums are hard to read.
~~~~~~ you are asking for her, Her family signed papers and she seems okay with her choice, you are debating about breaking up with her.

That being said if you don't expect forever, than let her do what she wants. Let her make her life decision. No offense, but why do you need to give her a defense to read?
~ Sorry darling, but this is her life not yours and she is making a decision for her. Suggest to visit this site, but after that get your nose out of it.

OBTW,

You condemned me and say it is about military not your relationship, but than your entire post in response to me is about your relationship....leaning towards breaking up....easier for us if she goes guard.

Please note that the easier if she goes guard was in response to my post about her family's financial perspective. You volunteered and opened with it.

Finally, the statement I would just rather her join the AF is scary to me.
~ I am a long time poster, a wife of a retired O5 that flew F15Es, works on the 35 now, with a DS that is at UPT and was AFROTC scholarship. I bleed blue, and will tell you the AF bennies are the same as the Army.
~~~ Actually in a way the Army is a better route, because if she goes AFROTC and not selected for SFT, chances are she will be dis-enrolled. There is no guard or reserve option.
~~~ The ADAF has announced an 8% personnel cut into. 2019. If that isn't scary enough, the AFROTC class of 14 will most likely go through a RIF, and never commission after 4 years of ROTC. There is talk it will happen again next year for 15s, Plus, the SFT board for sophomores for the first time ever have to tell HQ AFROTC their intentions of going rated vs non rated.

Heck, AFROTCs scholarships are tied to majors and AROTCs are not. AFROTC awards @80-85% to tech majors. AROTC allows scholarship recipients to choose between tuition or room and board. AFROTC doesn't. So, in the end, not to be blunt, but for the next 4 years, the bennies are better with the Army than the AF.
~ The only time ADAF bennies are better than the Army is if you go rated....otherwise the paycheck, health benefits, and crappy assignments are the same....Google Del Rio Tax, Minot ND, and Canon NM....no better than Ft Drum, or Polk.

 

[GuardGun]

Okey dokey...no need to freak out.
~~~ internet forums are hard to read.
~~~~~~ you are asking for her, Her family signed papers and she seems okay with her choice, you are debating about breaking up with her.

That being said if you don't expect forever, than let her do what she wants. Let her make her life decision. No offense, but why do you need to give her a defense to read?
~ Sorry darling, but this is her life not yours and she is making a decision for her. Suggest to visit this site, but after that get your nose out of it.

OBTW,

You condemned me and say it is about military not your relationship, but than your entire post in response to me is about your relationship....leaning towards breaking up....easier for us if she goes guard.

Please note that the easier if she goes guard was in response to my post about her family's financial perspective. You volunteered and opened with it.

Finally, the statement I would just rather her join the AF is scary to me.
~ I am a long time poster, a wife of a retired O5 that flew F15Es, works on the 35 now, with a DS that is at UPT and was AFROTC scholarship. I bleed blue, and will tell you the AF bennies are the same as the Army.
~~~ Actually in a way the Army is a better route, because if she goes AFROTC and not selected for SFT, chances are she will be dis-enrolled. There is no guard or reserve option.
~~~ The ADAF has announced an 8% personnel cut into. 2019. If that isn't scary enough, the AFROTC class of 14 will most likely go through a RIF, and never commission after 4 years of ROTC. There is talk it will happen again next year for 15s, Plus, the SFT board for sophomores for the first time ever have to tell HQ AFROTC their intentions of going rated vs non rated.

Heck, AFROTCs scholarships are tied to majors and AROTCs are not. AFROTC awards @80-85% to tech majors. AROTC allows scholarship recipients to choose between tuition or room and board. AFROTC doesn't. So, in the end, not to be blunt, but for the next 4 years, the bennies are better with the Army than the AF.
~ The only time ADAF bennies are better than the Army is if you go rated....otherwise the paycheck, health benefits, and crappy assignments are the same....Google Del Rio Tax, Minot ND, and Canon NM....no better than Ft Drum, or Polk.

Her dad is not actually ok with her decision, but he can't say no to his 'baby' girl.
She is going guard not active duty, so either way whether she actually gets a commission or not, it doesn't matter, so I think you misread my posts.

You tell me I should let her do what she wants, yet you go way off topic to tell me why my decision to join whatever branch I want is bad, which is not what this topic is even about.
I guess I should not tell her any of the issues discussed in this topic, so she will not be prepared for any of it and have a higher chance of failing once she realizes too late the reality of her situation. Why you would wish to set someone up to fail, or not try to help them, I have no idea, but you seem to be very negative in your entire posts thus far.

I got my answers, and no one said anything about AFROTC, its either Army ROTC related, or direct active duty, so lets stay on topic.

 

[ABF]

I know this is going to come off wrong, but in time you will get my drift

Do you know what they call kids that enter college as high school sweethearts and marry?
~ The 2% club, That is the statistical chance.

Your heart is in the right place, but no offense, this is her decision. You are young and I highly doubt she will listen to you.
~~~Do you know their financial situation? Maybe, this option is worth the risk, because all they see here is opinions from posters with no facts.

All you can do is plant the seed. Love her, support her, but after that you need to place yourself first and move on with your life, which means accepting her decision.

Pima, I couldn't help by chuckle a bit when I read your post. It wasn't long ago when I made a suggestion to a doting mother (to leave uniform decisions to her cadet rather than researching if for him and telling him how to dress). I also prefaced my opinion with something similar to "this will come off wrong". Just like you in your post above, I was correct in my guidance (though a dependent wife insisted on comparing a wife's support of a serviceman to a mommy and her little boy.)

My point being... I guess no matter how you preface your guidance, some will receive your message in a way you did not intend to send it.

Lastly... Pima, your point about making college / military decisions based on "high school sweetheart" status is rock solid. I couldn't have said it better... and I'm dealing with that very thing with my own kid now.

 

[GuardGun]

Pima, I couldn't help by chuckle a bit when I read your post. It wasn't long ago when I made a suggestion to a doting mother (to leave uniform decisions to her cadet rather than researching if for him and telling him how to dress). I also prefaced my opinion with something similar to "this will come off wrong". Just like you in your post above, I was correct in my guidance (though a dependent wife insisted on comparing a wife's support of a serviceman to a mommy and her little boy.)

My point being... I guess no matter how you preface your guidance, some will receive your message in a way you did not intend to send it.

Lastly... Pima, your point about making college / military decisions based on "high school sweetheart" status is rock solid. I couldn't have said it better... and I'm dealing with that very thing with my own kid now.

yea it was good advice, for somebody actually dealing with that issue. If we make it we make it, if not we aren't planning on changing our entire life schedules just to with each other. I should have just posted saying she was a friend, as the whole HS sweetheart business isn't really the deciding factor in much of anything.

Simply put, if its not meant to be, it won't happen, oh well, we'll get over it.

 

[Pima]

ABF,

I am glad that you got where I was coming from.

Guard,

Please do me a favor. Before you say I took the thread off topic re-read your posts. I brought in AFROTC because you brought in AF AD and bennies in the prior post. There is no SMP type program for AF. The 3 commissioning routes are:
1. AFA
2. AFROTC
3. OCS

If she wants an AF commissioning, and has only a 3.0 cgpa, the AFA is not going to be an option. If she wants to do this during college, than OCS is not an option. THUS, the only option if she follows your advice ADAF is AFROTC.

It was only the next post that it became apparent via your post she is willing to go enlisted. Prior posts, including your original stated officer.

Now, as far as do I believe you should be silent? No, I don't , but you are not a parent, and she is what? 17?

Again, you have stated that you are contemplating ending the relationship, good on you for wanting to remain friends. However, I am a Mom of 3, and I can tell you that the one thrown over rarely wants to be just friends. They typically want that person to disappear from the face of the earth for several months.
~ Hence, my statement that this is a family decision.


You asked if we can give some writing points so you can give it to her in black and white.
~ No offense, but all you had to do was text her and say...hey, I found this site...check it out. I am sure now you won't tell her because you have publicly said some negative things.
1. Thinking of breaking up....no desire long term
2. AF should be an option.
3. Daddy either spoils her, or he is weak....he can.t say no to his baby girl ring a bell?

I am not your enemy. I am a parent, and my perspective is, at 17, that has a DD in college, keep your nose out of it, text her the link, but that is the end of the line. How would your folks feel if she said the exact same thing publicly? Would be they be thrilled if she said you are Mommy's boy? Would you change your mind if she paraphrased every post on here? Be honest, chances are NO, you have your heart set and Mommy signed off.

My perspective comes with age.

 

[GuardGun]

ABF,

I am glad that you got where I was coming from.

Guard,

Please do me a favor. Before you say I took the thread off topic re-read your posts. I brought in AFROTC because you brought in AF AD and bennies in the prior post. There is no SMP type program for AF. The 3 commissioning routes are:
1. AFA
2. AFROTC
3. OCS

If she wants an AF commissioning, and has only a 3.0 cgpa, the AFA is not going to be an option. If she wants to do this during college, than OCS is not an option. THUS, the only option if she follows your advice ADAF is AFROTC.

It was only the next post that it became apparent via your post she is willing to go enlisted. Prior posts, including your original stated officer.

Now, as far as do I believe you should be silent? No, I don't , but you are not a parent, and she is what? 17?

Again, you have stated that you are contemplating ending the relationship, good on you for wanting to remain friends. However, I am a Mom of 3, and I can tell you that the one thrown over rarely wants to be just friends. They typically want that person to disappear from the face of the earth for several months.
~ Hence, my statement that this is a family decision.


You asked if we can give some writing points so you can give it to her in black and white.
~ No offense, but all you had to do was text her and say...hey, I found this site...check it out. I am sure now you won't tell her because you have publicly said some negative things.
1. Thinking of breaking up....no desire long term
2. AF should be an option.
3. Daddy either spoils her, or he is weak....he can.t say no to his baby girl ring a bell?

I am not your enemy. I am a parent, and my perspective is, at 17, that has a DD in college, keep your nose out of it, text her the link, but that is the end of the line. How would your folks feel if she said the exact same thing publicly? Would be they be thrilled if she said you are Mommy's boy? Would you change your mind if she paraphrased every post on here? Be honest, chances are NO, you have your heart set and Mommy signed off.

My perspective comes with age.

Her going to college and joining the military is a good thing, but she is joining under the false pretense that she will be guaranteed a 4 yr officer scholarship. You don't see anything wrong with this?

You even posted saying she should to look into it further, then I agreed with what people were telling me here and now you say to keep my nose out of it...? I don't understand exactly where you are going with this anymore... All I can really do is give her this thread to read.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't?

As for the other stuff, she's a big girl, some females can take constructive criticism fairly well. Others, well they have a miserable time defending themselves.