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As for your latest chart, it basically stops in 2020 when Biden wasn't even president.
The data actually stops in October 2021.

Furthermore, net imports collapsed during the Obama administration. Was he responsible for that? Probably not. The nature of energy markets makes hip shot pronouncements look pretty silly.

There is always the EIA, available to everyone.
 
As for the Khmer Rouge, the U.S. pitched in with China to covertly support the Khmer Rouge because they were fighting against the Viet Cong, which were in turn supported by their alliance with the USSR. It's well documented and It happened in my lifetime when you could read the news and it was actually true (mostly).
Can you share the "well documented" sources? You imply that this was reported by the news of the period

Countering Vietnam continued to dominate US foreign policy in southeast Asia after 1975, but you'll need to show me some evidence for your claim regarding US support to the Khmer Rouge.
 
BUFF work area. Being nice meant shutting down the work zone.:rolleyes: Operation Menu and Operation Freedom Deal
 

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Somalia in the 90's was U.N. (mostly the U.S., Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Norway, Spain, Turkey, Sweden, Italy, and Great Britain) ---> which you know, is NATO. So I was sort of right, still. ;)
Not to be too nitpicky but Australia and Sweden are not in NATO.
 
I don’t want my son going to fight when other countries don’t put forth their fair contribution in terms of money, weapons, or men/women.

Nor do I want to protect a non-Nato country that is corrupt. And where current officials are connected to that corruption.

Nor do I want to work to protect Germany from Russia while Germany and Russia have economic agreements.

Nato runs on their reputation. We need to rethink its value.

American majority does not support war.
If you take a step or two back and look at at this from a strategic standpoint, there is huge value to the US from NATO in that it helps keep any conflicts "over there". We should of course always desire peace over conflict but if there is going to be conflict then keeping it an "away game" is and pretty much always will be in our best interest. Having bases and troops in Europe is not just about protecting the host country itself but it is also strategic positioning for operations elsewhere in the world as many zones of conflict are closer to our European bases then they are to the US itself.
 
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Last time I checked I was the most unlikely person to be a strawman for any gosh darn thing.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I didn't call anyone a strawman. In this case, the "strawmen" I was referring to are propositions based on false/inaccurate information, i.e. cable news blather.
 
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For some this would be an alternate news source. For some this would be more a main source.

Right or wrong there is a supportive move among some political circles in the US to be much more anti nato more pro putin .

These folks don’t come out and condemn nato but instead they are upset about nato budget issues :)
 

For some this would be an alternate news source. For some this would be more a main source.

Right or wrong there is a supportive move among some political circles in the US to be much more anti nato more pro putin .

These folks don’t come out and condemn nato but instead they are upset about nato budget issues :)
Since he doesn’t support the war narrative, he is labeled a russian asset or white supremacist. We should have a more critical discussion about the pros and cons of this conflict imo.

One can be anti-war and not be in bed with Putin.
 
Here's some. I assume that Yale University will still pass muster, these days.

You claimed it was well documented and that you read about this in the contemporary news media. Neither appears to be true. Is your most compelling source this quote from a former National Security Advisor, that he encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot? Where are the lawyers, guns, and money stories from the New York Times or Atlantic?

Former US National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, on China and the Khmer Rouge, 1979:

-- “I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him, but China could.” According to Brzezinski, the USA “winked, semi-publicly” at Chinese and Thai aid to the Khmer Rouge. --

I enjoyed the two State cables in the link you sent. Kudos to Yale for putting them on the web where public can read. Kissinger's assessment of the Bangkok Chief of Mission Residence are spot on.
 
Since he doesn’t support the war narrative, he is labeled a russian asset or white supremacist. We should have a more critical discussion about the pros and cons of this conflict imo.

One can be anti-war and not be in bed with Putin.
It’s dishonest not to recognize that this what seems like pro putin anti (let’s audit them on budget) nato is coming from one side, how large or small a side I don’t know, of the more right wing side of the Republican Party.

it’s important to recognize this because in a few years after another election this could be our new foreign policy our new way of looking at Europe and the world.

I doubt anyone on this thread is talking about budget issues with nato because they have ever spent significant time reading various inputs to understand those budget issues. Unless of course they had an AD job to do so.

They watch certain tv networks.

it’s not military its political.

And once its political its like talking to the anti vax set. Often the same people.

NATO has worked for 75 years. Now the alleged “budget experts “ want to improve it :)
 
It’s dishonest not to recognize that this what seems like pro putin anti (let’s audit them on budget) nato is coming from one side, how large or small a side I don’t know, of the more right wing side of the Republican Party.

it’s important to recognize this because in a few years after another election this could be our new foreign policy our new way of looking at Europe and the world.

I doubt anyone on this thread is talking about budget issues with nato because they have ever spent significant time reading various inputs to understand those budget issues. Unless of course they had an AD job to do so.

They watch certain tv networks.

it’s not military its political.

And once its political its like talking to the anti vax set. Often the same people.

NATO has worked for 75 years. Now the alleged “budget experts “ want to improve it :)
I am old enough to remember how our government and media pushed the hoax that Trump was a Russian agent, Russia had compromising material on Trump, Hunter’s laptop of crimes was Russian disinformation, Russia placed a bounty on our servicemen, and Trump had a direct line to a Russian bank.

So excuse me if I am skeptical when people push this russian stuff. Especially seeing the difference in foreign policy between the two administrations.

We have vastly different opinions about NATO, foreign policies, etc. Accountability should be bipartisan.

As to the jab at the anti vaxers - Lmao. Slowly the truth is coming out. I will leave it at that. I don’t want to turn this political.
 
Look folks, if people start flinging insults at one another, this thread will be shut down.

Obviously, there are a lot of interesting exchanges here, so long as pot shots are avoided, we can continue the thread.
 
What if we civilly debated an issue, whether domestic or international without assuming party affiliation? Or without even mentioning party or 'sides'? That would be awesome.

I am sure I have a lot to learn on a myriad of subjects, I am sure I have something to offer on a different set of subjects. This current topic is kind of a big deal and many average Americans and some above-average Americans just don't understand all of the ins and outs. And having been reading and listening to multiple different sources, I still don't have all the answers or clarity. It seems the experts don't either. And NATO doesn't have a conclusive answer to the issue either.

Just have a polite and civil conversation. I would be interested in that.
 
Probably because there is a set of users here that don't like certain things being discussed. They follow a predictable pattern - claim misinformation, politics, straw man, off topic, and then insults. It is an amazingly effective tactic on this forum. Look at how most topics on corona or vaccines get shut down over and over again. Same people. It will work until the moderators decide it wont so good for the yellow dog to let this thread keep going.
 
If you are talking about Yellow Dog Journalism or Moderators editing on this Forum inserting or editing based on their own opinions, you are way off base. Try some English writing courses (it wont so good ain't good written English). Cry Havoc and let slip the Dogs of War. Oh wait you probably haven't read that one.
 
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Seems common decency isn’t that common.

It’s a serious subject that deserves serious people who can discuss real world issues without partisanship. But that’s just my HO.
 
I think it is. Usually you can ignore the rest.

For the gentleman suggesting writing courses the yellow dog is a lab. I am not sure what the orange white dog is but I like to read her posts.

As for CatDog everyone knows cats and dogs living together leads to mass hysteria.

You should be able to discuss our own border without it being labeled politics. Yes, perhaps a new post would be better. But there are a whole lot of subjects that appear to be off the table for discussion these days.

Why did Russia take Crimea from Ukraine and why the response (or lack of)? What is different now?

If we did agree to certain things in exchange for certain countries giving up certain weapons two decades ago are we going to follow through? What are we required to do? What happens if we don't?

Why do we need to do it and not the Europeans?

Not sure I know the answers to these questions.
 
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