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Also, it is hard to imagine a modern war lasting long enough to draft and train an army/navy/air force. My guess is that one side will run out of missiles first, and that will be the end of a war.
 
NJROTC-CC said:
Also, it is hard to imagine a modern war lasting long enough to draft and train an army/navy/air force. My guess is that one side will run out of missiles first, and that will be the end of a war.
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Or maybe the financial constraints on the oligarchs might help influence them to chat with Putin.
 
NJROTC-CC said:
Also, it is hard to imagine a modern war lasting long enough to draft and train an army/navy/air force.
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Exactly, the days of a long drawn out, full scale war, with time to mobilize like we did in WW2 are long gone.
Next one is going to fast and very violent-- and both sides will fight with what they have in place.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
Exactly, the days of a long drawn out, full scale war, with time to mobilize like we did in WW2 are long gone.
Next one is going to fast and very violent-- and both sides will fight with what they have in place.
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i agree except that scenario probably means there will be no winners and no losers for the most part. This means the issue will not have been resolved, creating the possibility that hostility will occur in the future. Not only are you going to have to replenish the assets you lost in the war, but you have also going to have to increase it for the eventual next fight.
 
Humey said:
i agree except that scenario probably means there will be no winners and no losers for the most part. This means the issue will not have been resolved, creating the possibility that hostility will occur in the future. Not only are you going to have to replenish the assets you lost in the war, but you have also going to have to increase it for the eventual next fight.
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Not necessarily, one side will likely run out of resources (munitions, personnel, etc.) first and thus be defeated.
 
NJROTC-CC said:
Also, it is hard to imagine a modern war lasting long enough to draft and train an army/navy/air force. My guess is that one side will run out of missiles first, and that will be the end of a war.
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And that's what they said about WWI, except it was money they would run out of.
EDIT: The thing that will bring people to their knees is the EMP, especially when all transport is electrified.
 
kinnem said:
And that's what they said about WWI, except it was money they would run out of.
EDIT: The thing that will bring people to their knees is the EMP, especially when all transport is electrified.
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Just about any modern vehicle produced after 1990(?) is going to be knocked out by an EMP. Pretty much all modern cars and trucks have significant use of onboard computers and chips that will be wiped out by an EMP. Doesn't matter if it's EV or has a gas engine in it, the control boards and ignitions for most will be bricked. Only old school vehicles with no electronic systems will (maybe) make it. Those legacy trucks are the next big asset to have in that world. ;)
 
hornetguy said:
Just about any modern vehicle produced after 1990(?) is going to be knocked out by an EMP. Pretty much all modern cars and trucks have significant use of onboard computers and chips that will be wiped out by an EMP. Doesn't matter if it's EV or has a gas engine in it, the control boards and ignitions for most will be bricked. Only old school vehicles with no electronic systems will (maybe) make it. Those legacy trucks are the next big asset to have in that world. ;)
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My friend drives an old honda civic without electronics because of this.
 
hornetguy said:
Just about any modern vehicle produced after 1990(?) is going to be knocked out by an EMP. Pretty much all modern cars and trucks have significant use of onboard computers and chips that will be wiped out by an EMP. Doesn't matter if it's EV or has a gas engine in it, the control boards and ignitions for most will be bricked. Only old school vehicles with no electronic systems will (maybe) make it. Those legacy trucks are the next big asset to have in that world. ;)
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Better put some air in my bicycle tires. Of course even without electronics in the car you won't be able to pump gas. There is always siphoning I guess.
 
hornetguy said:
Just about any modern vehicle produced after 1990(?) is going to be knocked out by an EMP. Pretty much all modern cars and trucks have significant use of onboard computers and chips that will be wiped out by an EMP. Doesn't matter if it's EV or has a gas engine in it, the control boards and ignitions for most will be bricked. Only old school vehicles with no electronic systems will (maybe) make it. Those legacy trucks are the next big asset to have in that world. ;)
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Looks like my sons '64 comet with good old fashioned points will still be good. Phew.
 
hornetguy said:
Just about any modern vehicle produced after 1990(?) is going to be knocked out by an EMP. Pretty much all modern cars and trucks have significant use of onboard computers and chips that will be wiped out by an EMP. Doesn't matter if it's EV or has a gas engine in it, the control boards and ignitions for most will be bricked. Only old school vehicles with no electronic systems will (maybe) make it. Those legacy trucks are the next big asset to have in that world. ;)
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Great. Warm apocalyptic beer. Freaking Russians.
 
hornetguy said:
Just about any modern vehicle produced after 1990(?) is going to be knocked out by an EMP. Pretty much all modern cars and trucks have significant use of onboard computers and chips that will be wiped out by an EMP. Doesn't matter if it's EV or has a gas engine in it, the control boards and ignitions for most will be bricked. Only old school vehicles with no electronic systems will (maybe) make it. Those legacy trucks are the next big asset to have in that world. ;)
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There is some disagreement with that idea. A lot of vehicles tested against EM surges basically did a windows reset or lost a few functions, but most would still run...now the issue is those tests couldn't replicate an EMP precisely, so we probably won't know how accurate the results were until one happens...
 
hornetguy said:
Just about any modern vehicle produced after 1990(?) is going to be knocked out by an EMP. Pretty much all modern cars and trucks have significant use of onboard computers and chips that will be wiped out by an EMP. Doesn't matter if it's EV or has a gas engine in it, the control boards and ignitions for most will be bricked. Only old school vehicles with no electronic systems will (maybe) make it. Those legacy trucks are the next big asset to have in that world. ;)
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So our DS ‘65 Mustang and my DH ‘75 Ford truck are good to go. Happy to know this. In the meanwhile, we can get limited repair parts for our clients (we run an auto repair shop) for basic modern day vehicle repairs.
 
At the end of the day my novice take away is that this feels like a lot of saber rattling for the military industrial complex. Certain lawmakers wax on poetic about a democratic Ukraine and how we should arm them. Interesting how their campaigns are partially funded by defense contractors or their interest groups.

Is Ukraine really Democratic? Are US interests directly impacted and affected by this potential Russian aggression? Should NATO be tossed in to ‘improve the argument’.

The history between these players is centuries old.

I may be a novice fool. But I fear we are being played the fool. Banging the drums of war for another isn’t a good look in my opinion. But my opinion is worth absolutely nothing.
 
I don’t think it would ever be in the USA’s interest to have Ukraine to join NATO because we would not have an interest in fighting Russia to defend Ukraine if Ukraine were attacked by Russia. So why not give Russia a secret, back-channel, private assurance that the USA will veto any vote to admit Ukraine to NATO. That seems to be that is the one thing Russia wants. We can’t make such a public promise, but I wouldn’t doubt that our view has been conveyed to Russia privately. But that may not be enough to prevent a partial invasion.
 
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