Sea Year Sexual Assault Report(s)

This case honestly has nothing to do with alcohol. Alcohol does not change your moral compass. If the perpetrators was willing to do it under the effects of alcohol whos to say that he wouldn’t do it without alcohol? How many of you people have got drunk and thought it was okay to rape someone? It doesn’t work like that at all. Obviously this guy is the problem not the fact that there was alcohol
 
This case honestly has nothing to do with alcohol. Alcohol does not change your moral compass. If the perpetrators was willing to do it under the effects of alcohol whos to say that he wouldn’t do it without alcohol? How many of you people have got drunk and thought it was okay to rape someone? It doesn’t work like that at all. Obviously this guy is the problem not the fact that there was alcohol
Unless of course the victim consumes so much alcohol that she is incapable of giving or withholding consent. In some instances in recent years, victims of sexual assault at sea have been raped while unconscious. Obviously, the victim should have stopped drinking much sooner (if drinking at all), but what kind of depraved person gets their kicks from raping someone who is completely passed out? And why is no one else stopping this behavior?
 
I don’t understand the conversation about alcohol here. Sure, one should not drink to the point of passing/blacking out— especially in an unfamiliar situation with unfamiliar people.

However, that is immaterial. A young woman was raped at sea, and alcohol doesn’t absolve the rapist.
 
I don’t understand the conversation about alcohol here. Sure, one should not drink to the point of passing/blacking out— especially in an unfamiliar situation with unfamiliar people.

However, that is immaterial. A young woman was raped at sea, and alcohol doesn’t absolve the rapist.
Absolutely.
 
I don’t understand the conversation about alcohol here. Sure, one should not drink to the point of passing/blacking out— especially in an unfamiliar situation with unfamiliar people.

However, that is immaterial. A young woman was raped at sea, and alcohol doesn’t absolve the rapist.
Of course it is material.

To be clear, no one in their right mind would suggest, or has even come close to hinting here, that the rapist should be absolved. The subject of alcohol was raised here (only after 53 initial comments, mind you) because even out of a vicious assault and tragedy a couple of useful lessons might be drawn. As made clear there (read for details and nuance), 1) all steps should be taken to establish guilt (which starts with reporting), and 2) young people -- and particularly young women -- should absolutely resist any environmental pressure to involve themselves in drinking bouts.
 
Of course it is material.

To be clear, no one in their right mind would suggest, or has even come close to hinting here, that the rapist should be absolved. The subject of alcohol was raised here (only after 53 initial comments, mind you) because even out of a vicious assault and tragedy a couple of useful lessons might be drawn. As made clear there (read for details and nuance), 1) all steps should be taken to establish guilt (which starts with reporting), and 2) young people -- and particularly young women -- should absolutely resist any environmental pressure to involve themselves in drinking bouts.
You just don't get it!
 
It's not she should have drank alcohol
It's not she should have reported it
It's that he shouldn't have raped her
Not entirely sure what "It" is. But (assuming a missing "not" in the first line) these sentiments are surely not mutually exclusive. That was the only modest point originally offered. And appropriate outrage over the crime should not cause us to ignore the small preventive steps we can take as individuals, even while pursuing larger, institutional cures.
 
It's not she should have drank alcohol
It's not she should have reported it
It's that he shouldn't have raped her
Consumption of alcohol by a cadet at sea or a MN at KP is a valuable discussion point not in relation to this specific incident but for ensuring future cadets/MN are well equipped to avoid potentially dangerous situations.
The reporting of incidents towards a cadet at sea or a MN at KP is a valuable discussion point not in relation to this specific incident but for ensuring future cadets/MN are well equipped to handle incidents and assisting in the proper response towards an offender.

The involvement of alcohol in incidents of SASH/Rape should not be a surprise to anyone anymore and shouldn't have been for a long time. We had a lecture by a Nassau County Detective about this exact thing and it's legal implications in the early 90s. It was a thing then, its an even bigger thing now.

My advice to any future MN/Cadets is to know your limits, know the company's limits, having a drink to be social is fine, drinking to excess at sea is never OK not even ashore, don't let peer pressure make you drink more than you should, no one will remember the next day if you had 1 or 10.
 
Real question: are these merchant vessels vetted for MIDN/sea year? If so, how?? And if not, why?

It’s really bothering me that this crew is out there *probably* doing the same thing to others….
Great question. How much did the ATRs know? They know the bad ships and good ships. I look forward to reading what Maersk submitted to MARAD 2016-2021 to qualify it to take cadets.
 
Maersk is reported to have suspended 5 crewmembers involved based on the anonymous report. Read news article here---> Translate to English The report did not name the vessel or anyone involved. Question--How did Maersk know which ship and who was involved? Answer--Prior occurrences. Why are they still sailing? Why are cadets there?
 
Question--How did Maersk know which ship and who was involved? Answer--Prior occurrences. Why are they still sailing? Why are cadets there?
I don't know if prior occurrences are necessarily a given.
Matching her details with their logs, it seems like Maersk could narrow their search to a small enough list to answer that question quickly.

I also hope she can remain anonymous if she desires.
 
Maersk is reported to have suspended 5 crewmembers involved based on the anonymous report. Read news article here---> Translate to English The report did not name the vessel or anyone involved. Question--How did Maersk know which ship and who was involved? Answer--Prior occurrences. Why are they still sailing? Why are cadets there?
It could also be that more people are coming forward (my hope in fellow humans, can see ship members coming forward, too). Feeling empowered bc of this brave young woman who did.
 
Maersk is reported to have suspended 5 crewmembers involved based on the anonymous report. Read news article here---> Translate to English The report did not name the vessel or anyone involved. Question--How did Maersk know which ship and who was involved? Answer--Prior occurrences. Why are they still sailing? Why are cadets there?
From the article

"There are enough details for us to be able to identify which ship and which employees are involved. That is why we have something that forms the basis for initiating an investigation, and that is why we have suspended the five involved officers who have been on the ship"
 
Suspended from Mersk may not mean suspended from shipping on his license.
That will take action by Uncle Sam.

A Sexual Assault/Rape conviction is a disqualifying offense for an applicant for an MMC under 46 CFR 10.211(g)

The Coast Guard will use table 1 to § 10.211 of this section to evaluate applicants who have criminal convictions. The table lists major categories of criminal activity and is not to be construed as an all-inclusive list. If an applicant is convicted of an offense that does not appear on the list, the Coast Guard will establish an appropriate assessment period using the list as a guide. The assessment period commences when an applicant is no longer incarcerated. The applicant must establish proof of the time incarcerated and periods of probation and parole to the satisfaction of the Coast Guard. The assessment period may include supervised or unsupervised probation or parole.

Table 1 to 10.211
Sexual Assault (rape, child molestation) 5 years-10 years.

A mariner with that on their record could not even realistically apply until a minimum of 5 years after any and all time is served.

Once convicted, an offender could have their MMC suspended or revoked under 46 U.S. Code § 7703
A license, certificate of registry, or merchant mariner’s document issued by the Secretary may be suspended or revoked if the holder—
(2) is convicted of an offense that would prevent the issuance or renewal of a license, certificate of registry, or merchant mariner’s document;

The key to all this is “convicted” which requires due process of law. Truth is that pending any charges then conviction then revoking of his license the party in the best position to ensure he can’t continue to sail for someone else is the Union.
 
Suspended from Mersk may not mean suspended from shipping on his license.
I feel the same when I see DR’s banned in a certain state. Or pedophile teachers changing states. Shocked when these stories make the news. They just move to a different state, and continue their abuse/negligence/illegal activity. Seems like there should be a better way to keep perpetrators from offending.
 
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