I was talking more about a correlation between the attainment of a senatorial nomination and eventual appointment. I know that there is no advantage to those who have a particular type of nom other than a principal nom. I guess what I was getting at is, what is the rate at which those who receive a senatorial nom get appointed and how does it compare to those with a nom from their House member?Many people get NOM's who eventually do not get an appointment. Every part of the application process is a competition and far more apply then there are available openings. Everyone must be 3Q AND have a NOM to be in the running for an appointment. Only having a principal NOM would be an advantage in this process. Other then that, no specific type of NOM is more valuable then another. Each MOC runs their own process and decides how to issue NOM's.
Where a NOM is issued can be different from where USMA eventually charges it so I doubt you find any published stats on what your asking.
That's sort of what I was getting at; it would seem to me that those who get a senatorial nomination end up getting a nomination from their House member as well.I would suggest that it may be harder to receive an appointment if you "only" have a Senatorial nomination based on the individuals your are competing against. The Senator typically has one slot per year and even though the ten individuals that are nominated are the "best" candidates in the state, there is still only one slot they are competing for. Being the third or fourth ranked candidate on the Senators slate likely leaves you on the outside looking in but would have an individual as the top ranked individual in most congressional districts and gain an appointment. The second ranked candidate may get pulled of the NWL list but there are many factors that change every year. You should apply for all possible nomination sources as possible because you do not know who you may compete against in a given year. There are always exceptions but the general rule is that more nominations allow you to compete on more slates.
That's sort of what I was getting at; it would seem to me that those who get a senatorial nomination end up getting a nomination from their House member as well.
Yeah you're right here; I'm pretty sure most senators don't cross nominate.I would guess that in most competitive states it is exactly the opposite. Senators and House members are, after all, politicians. They want to please as many constituents as possible and, therefore, have a policy of communicating with eachother and not duplicating nominations.
I'm asking if the candidates who receive a nomination from a senator are statistically more likely than those who only recieved a nomination from their House member, given that the Senatorial noms are more competitive.I think your question is being somewhat misunderstood. Aren't you asking whether or not you are more likely to be appointed if you have a senatorial nomination (since it is more competitive than a congressional nomination)?
I'm asking if the candidates who receive a nomination from a senator are statistically more likely than those who only recieved a nomination from their House member, given that the Senatorial noms are more competitive.
They're more competitive because it encompasses every candidate from your state as opposed to your congressional district. That is, unless you live in Alaska, Delaware, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont or Wyoming, as they have 1 House member and 2 senators.Just wondering why you think senatorial noms are more competitive? Would this be in states with many house representatives?
Although it would seem logical that candidates successful in a statewide competition would be more competitive than candidates successful in a local competition, that is not always the case. Why give a Senatorial nomination to a candidate who is a congressional Principal Nominee? From the MOC viewpoint, the goal is to give nominations to as many qualified candidates as possible. Unless the pool of applicants is small, duplicating nominations works against their interests.Generally speaking, do most of the people who end up getting a senatorial nomination end up eventually being appointed, given than the nomination process for senators is statewide and, therefore, more competitive?
On the whole though, senatorial noms tend to be much more competitive than House nominations.I think there is a false assumption that Senatorial Nominations are more competitive that Congressional Nominations.
There are 7 states where there are only one House Representative and two Senators (Alaska, Delaware, Montana, North Dakota,South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming). In those states, it can arguably said that the Congressional Nominations are more competitive.
On the whole though, senatorial noms tend to be much more competitive than House nominations.