Senior Quarterback Dismissed from USNA

My apologies LITS, I incorrectly identified that quote to you instead of Luigi. :frown:
 
BDHuff09 said:
Whether USNA simply generates more revenue (possible) or simply uses more of it to pay there football coach (also likely) than USAFA and USMA, I couldn't tell you. But it's not as if our tax dollars are directly paying for his salary, so I do not believe that is as big of an issue as you are making it out to be.

Just for the record, as a Navy football fan I am just as concerned about the actions of the football team as you all are, and I believe that if they continue it would not at all be unreasonable to consider getting new leadership in the football program.
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Tax dollars or not, it clearly indicates their priorities.
 
BDHuff09 said:
My apologies LITS, I incorrectly identified that quote to you instead of Luigi. :frown:
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And my answer would be similar - who cares what West Point did. Or USAF for that matter.

It's not an isolated Navy problem, it's a problem at all three of the D1 football academies. Anyone who thinks corners are not being cut, prep school is not being used to redshirt, or that admissions standard and/or conduct/honor standards are not being compromised in order to recruit and retain athletes at the D1 level is just kidding themselves. The data released via the FOIA requests a few years ago confirms it, as does many of our own individual personal knowledge of certain players or situations, and the news stories that seem to be coming out every other month.

CGA and KP seem to have no difficulty filling their classes with top shelf athletic young people at the D3 level.

It's time for the Navy brass to put away their ego and tear down their D1 football program and return it to what football is supposed to be at a US military academy, where money is not the driving factor behind the team.
 
+1 Packer and Luigi.

I will keep saying, the question that should be asked right now is why that coach is still the coach.

This case reminds me of Duke LAX. An elite college, a high ranking team, a party house, and sex.

The difference is Duke went to the extreme, fired the coach within days. The case was baseless, but they took action to send a signal to all of their coaches. USNA has sat on it for quite sometime.

I now wonder how many party houses are off base at USNA?

That coach most likely would have lost his job if 4 players were accused of gang raping 1 girl at any college with only 4,000 students.

1.5 MN in salary, they need to step up an defend what wrong there, and how they will fix it.

AFA, WP, CGA and KP doesn't matter. This is the USNA, and that SA is funded by my tax dollars...the coach's salary may not be, but the grounds, the academic program, the leadership is.
 
Pima said:
I will keep saying, the question that should be asked right now is why that coach is still the coach.
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Is there some indication that the head coach knew about the alleged assault?


As for the house -- My USNA grad friends tell me that off-campus houses are not rare and that groups of mids other than intercollegiate athletes have been known to "have" them. "Have" in quotation marks because my friends do not know of anyone who had their name on a lease when they were mids.
 
Question: since the coaches are not paid staff of the academy, is it fair to assume they are not responsible to the Academy staff or for for enforcing the rules/codes of conduct/ etc that an ordinary staff member (such as a professor) would be expected to enforce?
 
JMS,

I am with you on that principle. If anyone needs to be held accountable, it should be the chain of command more than Coach N.

It seems like everytime there is a MIDN/cadet incident involving Division I sports, folks on this forum always fault the coach or the fact that an SA has a Division I program.
 
usnabgo08 said:
JMS,

I am with you on that principle. If anyone needs to be held accountable, it should be the chain of command more than Coach N.

It seems like everytime there is a MIDN/cadet incident involving Division I sports, folks on this forum always fault the coach or the fact that an SA has a Division I program.
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How much time do these midshipmen spend with the coach in a day? A Week? A year? An academy career?

A coach is not a simple 3rd party, and a number of these football players, who didn't qualify to enter the Naval Academy on their own, without passing through NAPS compliments of football.... no, the coach has some part in this.
 
usnabgo08 said:
JMS,

I am with you on that principle. If anyone needs to be held accountable, it should be the chain of command more than Coach N.

It seems like everytime there is a MIDN/cadet incident involving Division I sports, folks on this forum always fault the coach or the fact that an SA has a Division I program.
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I hear you, but was heading in the direction that if a coach is being given an opportunity to turn a blind eye to conduct issues because it 'not his job,' then I see that as both a systemic problem and a personal shortcoming of those who elect to turn a blind eye or fail to exert themselves in even the most casual way to keep bad things from happening on their watch.
Not that I have a dog in this fight, but it was a red flag to me when I learned via this thread that coaches were not academy employees.
I will agree that the chain of command must wear the paint, but if they do not control the program how can they be accountable? Sounds like a perfect circular argument that leads to a lot of finger pointing.
 
How much time do these midshipmen spend with the coach in a day? A Week? A year? An academy career?

A coach is not a simple 3rd party, and a number of these football players, who didn't qualify to enter the Naval Academy on their own, without passing through NAPS compliments of football.... no, the coach has some part in this.
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I find it quite amazing on here how everyone wants to point fingers at Division I sports and coaches, yet not focus the attention on the military chain of command, after all it is THEIR responsibility for the conduct of MIDN -- regardless if it is the TOP DI athlete or the last in the class. The issues brought up on the off-Yard housing and parties, honor offense, and conduct is an issue for the military chain of command to handle and NOT the coaches. Company Officers can always take action if they think a MIDN should not play in DI sports due to a significant issue.

Does the coach have SOME responsibility? Yes....but I think the burden should fall more on the chain of command (especially since some are really concerned about their tax dollars). At the end of the day, the Company Officer is responsible AND accountable for all the MIDN in THEIR company, moreso than any coach.

Just because there are a few bad apples, doesn't mean that all SA's need to move to Division III.
 
Oh, I'm very OK with them burning the chain of command. At some point squids learn the captain goes down with the ship.

When we had the case my 1/c year, the 2 star supe and the O-6 commandant of cadets both retired.

Should they have? I don't know. But they did. And that was just one case.
 
JMS said:
Question: since the coaches are not paid staff of the academy, is it fair to assume they are not responsible to the Academy staff or for for enforcing the rules/codes of conduct/ etc that an ordinary staff member (such as a professor) would be expected to enforce?
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No, it is not fair to make that assumption.
 
JMS said:
Question: since the coaches are not paid staff of the academy, is it fair to assume they are not responsible to the Academy staff or for for enforcing the rules/codes of conduct/ etc that an ordinary staff member (such as a professor) would be expected to enforce?
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I would surmise that the coaches are doing the opposite--overlooking behavior(s) that could result in Midshipman being removed from the team, impacting their game plan and ultimately their extremely high paying job. They have one job at the academy--winning football games. It's not unreasonable to believe that they would ignore violations from star or key players.

usnabgo08 said:
I find it quite amazing on here how everyone wants to point fingers at Division I sports and coaches, yet not focus the attention on the military chain of command, after all it is THEIR responsibility for the conduct of MIDN -- regardless if it is the TOP DI athlete or the last in the class.

Does the coach have SOME responsibility? Yes....but I think the burden should fall more on the chain of command (especially since some are really concerned about their tax dollars).
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I would also assign a degree of "blame" on Admissions for lowering their standards to recruit 5-star athletic talent, giving higher priority to the athletic star football player's performance than his character, academics, or leadership off the football field.

After all, beating Army on one Saturday in December each year is the most important thing.
 
"We have kids who embrace the components of the military that they learn here -- discipline, toughness, integrity," Niumatalolo said. "We have to really play into those intangibles and accentuate those because we feel like the sum total of all those intangibles may be able to help us overcome some of the physical deficiencies as we play bigger teams."
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Perhaps some think that 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
 
"lowering their standards to recruit 5-star athletic talent"





5 star talent? What team have you been watching?:confused:
 
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