Separated due to grades

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Curious … is he class of 2024, because they signed their 2/7 paperwork before the fall semester in August 2022?
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There is still OCS or ROTC.
That is what I am curious about. Are these options still available to him? I am hoping this will be explained to him as he is completing his paperwork and I know he is writing down questions but I am wondering what his future may look like. He still feels that he would be a great officer.
 
As stated above, yes there are several paths to becoming an officer.

I realize this is a navy forum however, I had a classmate at USAFA...if it was at all possible, he had worse grades than I did and he was afforded the opportunity to attend another school. I watched him leave with a tear in my eye, he was a great friend. And I never heard from him.

YEARS later I'm in base operations at Red Flag getting a weather brief and a pilot from another squadron walks into the brief.

We did a HUGE double-take...it was my "long lost friend!"

He'd gone home, gotten over the hurt, enrolled in school, joined ROTC, excelled, and got selected for UPT...

Yes, it can be done and it's not as "impossible" as it might seem right now.
 
As stated above, yes there are several paths to becoming an officer.

I realize this is a navy forum however, I had a classmate at USAFA...if it was at all possible, he had worse grades than I did and he was afforded the opportunity to attend another school. I watched him leave with a tear in my eye, he was a great friend. And I never heard from him.

YEARS later I'm in base operations at Red Flag getting a weather brief and a pilot from another squadron walks into the brief.

We did a HUGE double-take...it was my "long lost friend!"

He's gone home, gotten over the hurt, enrolled in school, joined ROTC, excelled, and got selected for UPT...

Yes, it can be done and it's not as "impossible" as it might seem right now.
Thank you for the encouraging words.
 
I don’t mean to be disrespectful or anything, but I have a question as an applicant to anyone who may be knowledgeable on this:

I have perused through other separation questions/posts on here I but couldn’t find out what exactly constitutes/warrants an academic separation for USNA. How much will they help you until they just separate you? I haven’t even received an appointment, but it kind of worries me seeing that this can happen quite often.
 
Hello,
We just found out that my son has been separated because of poor grades at USNA. Needless to say he is devastated and embarrassed. Any words of advice? Is there still a Navy Officer path? I would appreciate any words of wisdom.
Thank you.

This happens. Your son will go through all the phases of grieving the separation. As painful as this is, for him and for family, he will learn and grow from this, and later success will seem all the sweeter. No doubt he feels he has let you down somehow.

There is no reason for him to be embarrassed. Academic performance has nothing to do with who he is as a person, his worth as a human being, his integrity and values. All humans fail at something.

Make sure he saves every piece of paper he is given at USNA. I think there is usually something that has various degrees of recommendation for other commissioning programs. Since his separation is for academic, not conduct, honor or military aptitude, he should be in good shape there. This is all administrative, no “bad paper.”

He needs to take a breath, then have a candid conversation with an NROTC unit about how it would work for him. He will have some transferable credits. He will have to get into a college with a host unit or crosstown affiliation. He will still have to major in an approved area, maintain a required GPA and complete any required core courses if they haven’t transferred. I will defer to @GWU PNS to be more specific on how USNA to NROTC might work for a 2024 candidate.

Navy OCS, he would work with an officer recruiter and apply sometime in senior year of college, I think. He can research this at Navy OCS websites. Service assignment is known before going into OCS. It is highly competitive, as the Navy cherry picks who it needs to round out the new ensign production yield in a given fiscal year, and intake levels flex directly with needs of the Navy. They are looking for strong academic performance, credible STEM performance, leadership, physical fitness, well-rounded college performance.
He can find an officer recruiter not among the fine enlisted recruiters at the local shopping center recruiting office, but by contacting a regional talent acquisition group and asking for an OCS recruiter.

His SSN will already have been in the DEERS (CAC card) ID system, DFAS pay system and clearance system, so he will have to practice saying upfront, “I was at the Naval Academy for 2 years but was separated for academic reasons, but I still want to pursue a commission as a Navy officer.” It’s a fact he will have to own, and the sting will lessen after every success as time goes on. If he has recovered and performed brilliantly in the remainder of his college years, all will even out over time.

His friends and classmates will still be his friends from USNA. They will be glad to see him if he shows up in the same uniform further down the road, regardless of which on-ramp he took.
 
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I don’t mean to be disrespectful or anything, but I have a question as an applicant to anyone who may be knowledgeable on this:

I have perused through other separation questions/posts on here I but couldn’t find out what exactly constitutes/warrants an academic separation for USNA. How much will they help you until they just separate you? I haven’t even received an appointment, but it kind of worries me seeing that this can happen quite often.
There is predictable attrition out of all SA classes each year for academic, conduct, honor, military aptitude or medical reasons, as well as voluntary separations.

The academic standard is very clear in what is required for a specific course, required overall GPA and required courses and credits. The chain of command keeps a careful eye on struggling midshipmen. Separation is the last recourse. Majors will be adjusted, summer school offered, etc., but sometimes it is in the best interests of USNA and the mid to initiate separation.

There is a huge array of academic support for struggling mids. USNA wants midshipmen to succeed, and they have a good track record of picking those who can thrive in the SA environment. There is each mid’s academic advisor. There is EI, extra instruction, and office hours offered by profs. There are informal peer tutoring sessions in company. Academic performance is tracked by company officers and senior enlisted leaders to help mids get the help they need. There is the wide array of services offered here:


And here, for general support:


USNA is indeed an academic pressure cooker and relentless grind at times. It’s a matter of will and skill to get through it. Sometimes, it just does not work out. Do not worry about it until you have to. If USNA offers you an appointment, they believe you have what it takes to get through the 4 years. If you give your best effort, that is all you can do. Sometimes, it just won’t be the right fit.
 
This happens. Your son will go through all the phases of grieving the separation. As painful as this is, for him and for family, he will learn and grow from this, and later success will seem all the sweeter. No doubt he feels he has let you down somehow.

There is no reason for him to be embarrassed. Academic performance has nothing to do with who he is as a person, his worth as a human being, his integrity and values. All humans fail at something.

Make sure he saves every piece of paper he is given at USNA. I think there is usually something that has various degrees of recommendation for other commissioning programs. Since his separation is for academic, not conduct, honor or military aptitude, he should be in good shape there. This is all administrative, no “bad paper.”

He needs to take a breath, then have a candid conversation with an NROTC unit about how it would work for him. He will have some transferable credits. He will have to get into a college with a host unit or crosstown affiliation. He will still have to major in an approved area, maintain a required GPA and complete any required core courses if they haven’t transferred. I will defer to @GWU PNS to be more specific on how USNA to NROTC might work for a 2024 candidate.

Navy OCS, he would work with an officer recruiter and apply sometime in senior year of college, I think. He can research this at Navy OCS websites. Service assignment is known before going into OCS. It is highly competitive, as the Navy cherry picks who it needs to round out the new ensign production yield in a given fiscal year, and intake levels flex directly with needs of the Navy. They are looking for strong academic performance, credible STEM performance, leadership, physical fitness, well-rounded college performance.
He can find an officer recruiter not among the fine enlisted recruiters at the local shopping center recruiting office, but by contacting a regional talent acquisition group and asking for an OCS recruiter.

His SSN will already have been in the DEERS (CAC card) ID system, DFAS pay system and clearance system, so he will have to practice saying upfront, “I was at the Naval Academy for 2 years but was separated for academic reasons, but I still want to pursue a commission as a Navy officer.” It’s a fact he will have to own, and the sting will lessen after every success as time goes on. If he has recovered and performed brilliantly in the remainder of his college years, all will even out over time.

His friends and classmates will still be his friends from USNA. They will be glad to see him if he shows up in the same uniform further down the road, regardless of which on-ramp he took.
Thank you for this information. I will be sure to pass this along.
 
CAPT MJ is right . . . it happens. It used to happen a LOT. I look back on most my many classmates who were separated for academics and think (for most of them): Wow, I wish they would have made it b/c they would have become great officers.

Unlike most colleges, USNA (and the other SAs) require mids complete their majors and all required courses in no more than four years with at least at 2.0. If a student isn't on that trajectory after various attempts to help (as described by CAPT MJ), the only real option is separation. It sucks, but he didn't do anything "wrong." USNA academics are tough, especially with everything else you have to do, and some people simply can't handle it all. No one thinks "less" of someone who couldn't handle academics.

Since the OP's DS is Class of 2024, it is VERY important he understands what he needs to do so going forward so that he doesn't have to pay back the cost of his education to date. I'm NOT knowledgable on this point -- I'm sure the details are in the fine print of the "2 for 7" paperwork he signed. My general understanding is that he has to serve a certain amount of time as either an officer or enlisted or pay back the education. If he got into USNA, he has what it takes to become an officer and thus should look at both ROTC and OCS.

Also, he should reflect on what held him back at USNA. Was it the major? Particular courses? Lack of good foundation in core courses (i.e., calc). Time management? Not studying hard enough? Study skills? The reason is that, wherever he ends up, he wants to set himself up for success at his next school. This semester can be used to take CC courses, get tutoring, etc., to shore up the weakness(es).
 
This happens. Your son will go through all the phases of grieving the separation. As painful as this is, for him and for family, he will learn and grow from this, and later success will seem all the sweeter. No doubt he feels he has let you down somehow.

There is no reason for him to be embarrassed. Academic performance has nothing to do with who he is as a person, his worth as a human being, his integrity and values. All humans fail at something.

Make sure he saves every piece of paper he is given at USNA. I think there is usually something that has various degrees of recommendation for other commissioning programs. Since his separation is for academic, not conduct, honor or military aptitude, he should be in good shape there. This is all administrative, no “bad paper.”

He needs to take a breath, then have a candid conversation with an NROTC unit about how it would work for him. He will have some transferable credits. He will have to get into a college with a host unit or crosstown affiliation. He will still have to major in an approved area, maintain a required GPA and complete any required core courses if they haven’t transferred. I will defer to @GWU PNS to be more specific on how USNA to NROTC might work for a 2024 candidate.

Navy OCS, he would work with an officer recruiter and apply sometime in senior year of college, I think. He can research this at Navy OCS websites. Service assignment is known before going into OCS. It is highly competitive, as the Navy cherry picks who it needs to round out the new ensign production yield in a given fiscal year, and intake levels flex directly with needs of the Navy. They are looking for strong academic performance, credible STEM performance, leadership, physical fitness, well-rounded college performance.
He can find an officer recruiter not among the fine enlisted recruiters at the local shopping center recruiting office, but by contacting a regional talent acquisition group and asking for an OCS recruiter.

His SSN will already have been in the DEERS (CAC card) ID system, DFAS pay system and clearance system, so he will have to practice saying upfront, “I was at the Naval Academy for 2 years but was separated for academic reasons, but I still want to pursue a commission as a Navy officer.” It’s a fact he will have to own, and the sting will lessen after every success as time goes on. If he has recovered and performed brilliantly in the remainder of his college years, all will even out over time.

His friends and classmates will still be his friends from USNA. They will be glad to see him if he shows up in the same uniform further down the road, regardless of which on-ramp he took.
Excellent advice as always @Capt MJ. No words of wisdom from me, just chiming in to say I personally know someone separated from USNA after 2 for 7 was signed, finished school through NROTC, finished OCS, and is now mid-way through flight school.
 
I’m curious about the payback piece. My understanding is that if it’s a medical separation…no payback. I could be wrong. What about academic separation? Is it on a case by case basis?
 
It's my understanding that someone separated academically is required to serve or pay back, as are those separated for failing PRT, conduct (including drugs and alcohol issues), or honor. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
It's my understanding that someone separated academically is required to serve or pay back, as are those separated for failing PRT, conduct (including drugs and alcohol issues), or honor. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I can’t correct you.

But I know of a mid that never passed a PRT but got a golden handshake at graduation. I don’t know the law, or the specific facts.
 
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