Service Selection

Folks . . . this thread has veered way OT. If folks want to discuss USNA's honor concept, maybe you should start a new thread.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
> It's a different world now. There is no longer the philosophy that 1/3 won't make it through. I've seen Supe, Dant and Academic Dean all emphasize that everyone CAN make it, if they try. Dropping out during Plebe Summer is almost unheard of now.
I think this year 2023 lost 15 by PPW


> Your comment is probably true if you want to go to Med School, become a specialist, and make mountains of money. However, people go to med school for a variety of reasons. Some really like serving in the Navy. One of my classmates retired a couple years , 5 years as a SW0, and 20+ as a pediatrician in the Navy. He had a very rewarding career, and retired to public health clinic down south.
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Usnavy2019 said:
Lying about things, cheating on tests, violating a collaboration policy, plagiarizing, etc. Sometimes people who get in conduct trouble will lie during the investigation or lie to try and cover up their misconduct when confronted and that will land someone in the honor system as well. Honor is not purely academic. It covers everything from where you are going on liberty (like intentionally putting an address down where you aren't staying), to and professional knowledge and everything in between.

And to everyone, I am a 1/C MIDN who just went through service assignment. More than happy to answer questions about literally anything about my application processes (you read that right!), life as a MIDN (both Plebe and Upperclass), the Yard itself, and anything else you come up with. I just went through service assignment, so this thread caught my eye!
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Do you know anyone that got service selected into special warfare?
 
SaltiDawg said:
I remember only one example of a Midshipman that failed a course (<2.5) and was not summarily dismissed. He Turned Back at the end of Plebe Year and returned to the following class (mine) as a 4/c but was not considered a Plebe as he had completed that trial. S.R. subsequently graduated with us.
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Out of interest is there any way to visually distinguish a non-plebe 4/C MIDN from a plebe? I understand a cadet at West Point who has been recognised but is repeating 4/C is a PFC.
 
CivAU said:
Out of interest is there any way to visually distinguish a non-plebe 4/C MIDN from a plebe? I understand a cadet at West Point who has been recognised but is repeating 4/C is a PFC.
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This is the USNA forum might be best to ask the question over on the USMA side. At USNA Plebes are all recognized at the same time.
 
NavyHoops said:
This is the USNA forum might be best to ask the question over on the USMA side. At USNA Plebes are all recognized at the same time.
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I think that he is referring to the instance of a plebe going to an Ac Board at the end of Plebe Year and being rolled back to the next class.
In that instance, where they'd already been through Herndon and Sea Trials but were still a 4th Class Mid,their insignia would be the same as their new plebe classmates.
 
The main difference between Navy and Army/Air Force is that they have a more divided rank structure. In other words, someone could be a 2/C for example, but they could have a multitude of ranks C/Sgt, C/1st Sgt, etc. based on their job. At Navy, there isn’t that type of division until 1/C Year. The Brigade SMAJ (top 2/C) and the anchor of the 2/C are both referred to as MIDN 2/C and wear the same insignia. I also haven’t heard of people repeating Plebe Year recently. Most of the time, it’s usually probation and they advance to 3/C. They’ll be UNSAT academically and that restricts privileges to a degree, but they get to rock the one anchor and still be with their classmates.
 
Every MIDN takes the Myers-Briggs at some point (I forgot when I did it). The article is an interesting read. According to some internal metrics, ISTJ is the most common classification now. I am a member myself. I’m curious as to what caused the shift. My guess is the ushering in of the digital age. It seems anectodetly that when given the option to handle things remotely vs. in person, most young folks would choose electronic means. That’s pure speculation, though. Regardless of personality type, you learn to adapt to the Academy and the Navy/Marines. It’s a valuable skill for the military and follow on civilian careers.
 
My Plebe says he took Meyers-Briggs this fall in his leadership class. He said introverts have a hard time asking for help but they are a very small minority. His company plebes do “interventions” with fellow plebes who are either struggling or “are total d___s” and need some “reorienting of priorities”.
 
I actually think there are a lot of introverts in the Brigade. More than many think. I actually think the asking for help thing is a challenge for many Plebes... they haven’t had to before. Introverts struggle at USNA with finding the alone time to recharge. Often living with two other room mates it can be draining. But they find space. Many find a place to study alone, runs by themselves or even a walk to the sea wall to just sit for a few minutes by themselves. Just my view of my time my time at USNA.
 
NavyHoops said:
I actually think there are a lot of introverts in the Brigade. More than many think. I actually think the asking for help thing is a challenge for many Plebes... they haven’t had to before. Introverts struggle at USNA with finding the alone time to recharge. Often living with two other room mates it can be draining. But they find space. Many find a place to study alone, runs by themselves or even a walk to the sea wall to just sit for a few minutes by themselves. Just my view of my time my time at USNA.
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I read somewhere that the Navy did a study and found that introverts wash out at a higher rate, but also make Admiral at a higher rate. So, they’ve gone about figuring out how to avoid chasing them away early (plebe year, e.g.). Not sure what concrete steps have been taken, but it’s an interesting dichotomy if true.
 
Funny, I recall reading a study about 20 years ago about the surprising (or maybe not) numbers of senior and flag officers who shared the I trait. I am in that family. The solo re-charge time is key, but there is no problem being with people, communicating, leading, engaging, being outgoing as the situation dictates.
 
Interesting learning re I vs E. Being an I myself, I really don’t see any reason why that might be an advantage or disadvantage when it comes to leadership. (As long as people understand that being introverted is not the same thing as being shy or withdrawn.) I do see how an I might struggle to recharge within the crowded confines of a ship or sub.
 
Introvert [emoji137]‍♀️. And bacon lover. Wonder if there is a connection there?

For me, thinking about me...I would suspect the academy experience for my introverted self would be a challenge. But doesn’t mean I wouldn’t do well as a leader eventually out in the fleet (totally an example here. No way I would actually be called to do so!). My point, is that I suspect the introvert/extrovert issue would be more of an issue for the academy experience. Not an indicator of future leadership abilities.
 
MidCakePa said:
Interesting learning re I vs E. Being an I myself, I really don’t see any reason why that might be an advantage or disadvantage when it comes to leadership..
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The theory is that Introverts make better leaders because they tend to listen better and reflect more than extroverts. The bulk of society is in the middle of the spectrum of I vs E and might lean a little one way or the other. Extreme I or E people are a small percentage in society. (My limited knowledge comes from an article and video shown to our middle school students in an advisory lesson. Very surface level.)
 
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