Should I apply national guard 4 years scholarship or Army 4 years scholarship?

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I am a senior in high school, planning doing ROTC during college. Now I don't know the difference of 4 years scholarship between Army and nation guard. And I also have a question about commitment after I win the 4 years scholarship in national guard. I lookup on the national guard website it says:"Following graduation, cadets begin a new Military Service Obligation (MSO) contract and serve eight years in the Guard, which includes training." But my guard recruiter told me I only have to sign 6 years of contract with guard, and complete 4 years of contract during college time, then finish the 2 years left when I graduate from college, then I can transfer straight to active duty. I am very confuse right now, need helppp!!!
Thank you!
 
Where do you see yourself most? They lead to similar paths, but they have their differences!
 
Where do you see yourself most? They lead to similar paths, but they have their differences!
For me, I want to work as a officer. And I want to going to active duty after college graduate.
And the most important question for me is that I lookup on the national guard website it says:"Following graduation, cadets begin a new Military Service Obligation (MSO) contract and serve eight years in the Guard, which includes training." But my guard recruiter told me I only have to sign 6 years of contract with guard, and complete 4 years of contract during college time, then finish the 2 years left when I graduate from college, then I can transfer straight to active duty.
 
If you want active duty I would focus on the campus based AROTC scholarship opportunities. A word of caution, you mention that you are talking to a guard recruiter - a guard recruiter is not going to get you to an active duty commission. Lets back up for a minute. Questions for you:
1. You are a HS senior. Are you going to attend a 4-yr school that has an AROTC detachment?
2. Did you apply for the AROTC Scholarship? You mention a 4-YR Scholarship, that application process is closed. At this point your option would be to enroll at a school that has AROTC, join AROTC, get good grades, good PT and apply for a 3-YR campus based contract. That option would be your best chance of an AD commission.

I would advise you to talk to the ROO at the school you plan on attending. He/She will be able to walk you thru the process of getting from where you are now to where you want to be. DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING WITH THE GUARD RECRUITER UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SIGNING.

Welcome to SAF, you have come to a good place to get information.
 
If you want active duty I would focus on the campus based AROTC scholarship opportunities. A word of caution, you mention that you are talking to a guard recruiter - a guard recruiter is not going to get you to an active duty commission. Lets back up for a minute. Questions for you:
1. You are a HS senior. Are you going to attend a 4-yr school that has an AROTC detachment?
2. Did you apply for the AROTC Scholarship? You mention a 4-YR Scholarship, that application process is closed. At this point your option would be to enroll at a school that has AROTC, join AROTC, get good grades, good PT and apply for a 3-YR campus based contract. That option would be your best chance of an AD commission.

I would advise you to talk to the ROO at the school you plan on attending. He/She will be able to walk you thru the process of getting from where you are now to where you want to be. DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING WITH THE GUARD RECRUITER UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SIGNING.

Welcome to SAF, you have come to a good place to get information.
1) I graduated from HS yesterday, and get accepted from UCF.
2) I did apply for national guard 4 years scholarship, and my guard recruiter just told me this afternoon that I got 3 years scholarship, but not 4 years one.
3) I didn't apply AROTC scholarship, because my guard recruiter keeps telling me that ARMY scholarship does not pay 100% tuition.
4) My guard recruiter told me once I received guard ROTC scholarship and want to accepted I have to sign the contract with guard for 6 years. He said:"you can complete 4 years of contract during college time, when you get out of college you only have to do the two years left on your contract. When you complete your contract you can sign contract with active duty, OR you can ask the guard during my senior year if they can let you transfer to active duty or not."
5) I don't know if the guard recruiter says right or wrong, because when I lookup the nation guard website, it's said: Following graduation, cadets begin a new Military Service Obligation (MSO) contract and serve eight years in the Guard, which includes training.

Thank you for your helping!
 
1) I graduated from HS yesterday, and get accepted from UCF.
2) I did apply for national guard 4 years scholarship, and my guard recruiter just told me this afternoon that I got 3 years scholarship, but not 4 years one.
3) I didn't apply AROTC scholarship, because my guard recruiter keeps telling me that ARMY scholarship does not pay 100% tuition.
4) My guard recruiter told me once I received guard ROTC scholarship and want to accepted I have to sign the contract with guard for 6 years. He said:"you can complete 4 years of contract during college time, when you get out of college you only have to do the two years left on your contract. When you complete your contract you can sign contract with active duty, OR you can ask the guard during my senior year if they can let you transfer to active duty or not."
5) I don't know if the guard recruiter says right or wrong, because when I lookup the nation guard website, it's said: Following graduation, cadets begin a new Military Service Obligation (MSO) contract and serve eight years in the Guard, which includes training.

Thank you for your helping!
Congrats on your graduation from HS and acceptance to UCF. Are you talking about the SMP program when you refer to the Guard Scholarship? AROTC scholarship DOES pay 100% of tuition. I am going to page @Montana State Army ROTC and @MohawkArmyROTC to advise you.
 
Congrats on your graduation from HS and acceptance to UCF. Are you talking about the SMP program when you refer to the Guard Scholarship? AROTC scholarship DOES pay 100% of tuition. I am going to page @Montana State Army ROTC and @MohawkArmyROTC to advise you.
Thank you so much. I didn't talk about the SMP program... and what should I do right now? I want going straight to active duty after college, should I start doing AROTC? or Keep with nation guard?
 
Thank you so much. I didn't talk about the SMP program... and what should I do right now? I want going straight to active duty after college, should I start doing AROTC? or Keep with nation guard?
I would say that AROTC may be your best bet if you truly wish to go active duty and nothing else.
 
Thank you so much. I didn't talk about the SMP program... and what should I do right now? I want going straight to active duty after college, should I start doing AROTC? or Keep with nation guard?
Where can I find information, about the scholarship for National Guard?
 
Thank you so much. I didn't talk about the SMP program... and what should I do right now? I want going straight to active duty after college, should I start doing AROTC? or Keep with nation guard?
Does the school you will be attending have AROTC?

If so reach out to the staff in the AROTC Dept and they can advise on your best option.
 

If your end game is AD directly after college proceed with caution with the GRFD/Minuteman Scholarship. Not saying it is impossible going AD but it is very difficult. I know a know a recently commissioned Lt who took the GRFD and has to go to a plan B for civilian life career because of the contractual obligation for reserve duty.
 
Does the school you will be attending have AROTC?

If so reach out to the staff in the AROTC Dept and they can advise on your best option.
Yes. I did reach out to one of the staff yesterday. Waiting for his reply.
 

If your end game is AD directly after college proceed with caution with the GRFD/Minuteman Scholarship. Not saying it is impossible going AD but it is very difficult. I know a know a recently commissioned Lt who took the GRFD and has to go to a plan B for civilian life career because of the contractual obligation for reserve duty.
Thank you. I search at online, thinks in my case will be SMP. So with the SMP is it also very difficult to transfer to active duty?
 
Thank you. I search at online, thinks in my case will be SMP. So with the SMP is it also very difficult to transfer to active duty?
There are different ways to pay for school with different obligations and routes to AD. GRFD/Minuteman scholarships cadets can participate in the SMP program. But if I am reading your situation right, The SMP program you may be getting into is : join the Guard/Reserves and take ROTC at school all at the same time, your Guard state college benefits (depending on state) pays for school, fees, maybe even room and board. Many recruiters call it a "scholarship" but in reality it is part of your state NG educational benefits. It is no different than the benefits an E-4 in your NG unit will have except he is not a SMP-Cadet. An SMP-cadet in this situation can compete for an AD slot. It is the GRFD/Minuteman scholarship very similar to a National advance designee 4 year-3 year scholarship that it is very difficult to get out of your NG/Reserve obligation upon college graduation.
DS did not deal with any NG-Reserve recruiters throughout the National Scholarship process. Texas NG educational benefits are very generous and many cadets end up as SMPs.
Please call the ROO at the nearest AROTC unit explain what your end game goal and they will steer you into the right directions. If you are in Texas
reach out to these folks:


There will be other commands set up in your region to help you in the process.
 
There are different ways to pay for school with different obligations and routes to AD. GRFD/Minuteman scholarships cadets can participate in the SMP program. But if I am reading your situation right, The SMP program you may be getting into is : join the Guard/Reserves and take ROTC at school all at the same time, your Guard state college benefits (depending on state) pays for school, fees, maybe even room and board. Many recruiters call it a "scholarship" but in reality it is part of your state NG educational benefits. It is no different than the benefits an E-4 in your NG unit will have except he is not a SMP-Cadet. An SMP-cadet in this situation can compete for an AD slot. It is the GRFD/Minuteman scholarship very similar to a National advance designee 4 year-3 year scholarship that it is very difficult to get out of your NG/Reserve obligation upon college graduation.
DS did not deal with any NG-Reserve recruiters throughout the National Scholarship process. Texas NG educational benefits are very generous and many cadets end up as SMPs.
Please call the ROO at the nearest AROTC unit explain what your end game goal and they will steer you into the right directions. If you are in Texas
reach out to these folks:


There will be other commands set up in your region to help you in the process.
Thank you! I will reach out to ROO. And Thanks again for your help!
 
1) I graduated from HS yesterday, and get accepted from UCF.
2) I did apply for national guard 4 years scholarship, and my guard recruiter just told me this afternoon that I got 3 years scholarship, but not 4 years one.
3) I didn't apply AROTC scholarship, because my guard recruiter keeps telling me that ARMY scholarship does not pay 100% tuition.
4) My guard recruiter told me once I received guard ROTC scholarship and want to accepted I have to sign the contract with guard for 6 years. He said:"you can complete 4 years of contract during college time, when you get out of college you only have to do the two years left on your contract. When you complete your contract you can sign contract with active duty, OR you can ask the guard during my senior year if they can let you transfer to active duty or not."
5) I don't know if the guard recruiter says right or wrong, because when I lookup the nation guard website, it's said: Following graduation, cadets begin a new Military Service Obligation (MSO) contract and serve eight years in the Guard, which includes training.

Thank you for your helping!
If your intent is to be active duty upon graduation, I highly recommend you talk to the ROTC Officer at the college you plan on attending. They are highly motivated to help you find your fit and will lead you to people who can make your desire for active duty after graduation happen. This is where I started, at the ROTC office at my college. Do not sign anything til you are confident on ALL your obligations.

Thought I would share my short journey-

I was awarded the 3-year GRFD/Minuteman Scholarship and just completed my freshman year at college in the ROTC program and could not be happier with my decision. It was a long process with lots of paperwork, physicals, exams, and interviews.
My scholarship funds start this fall and will NOT cover 100% of my tuition. It will cover my tuition or my room and board, but not both. I also will be given a monthly stipend and yearly book allowance. I have already started getting monthly pay from my Guard drills that I do. I do have institutional scholarships so with those and my Guard scholarship combined, my college will be covered the next 3 years.

First, I went to my ROTC Officer at my college the summer before my freshman year. After talking with them, they told me of scholarships that were available. One was through the Army National Guard. This was something that interested me so I went and meet with the recruiters that my ROTC Officer sent me to.
I was made very clear about my obligation BEFORE I even applied for the scholarship by the Guard recruiters. Matter-of-fact, they repeated things several times to make sure I fully understood my obligation. It was also made clear to me that switching to active duty after college will not happen til my obligation to the Guard is completed. Again they were very clear with this with me. They said in the past there had been cadets who decided they wanted active duty so now they make that a very difficult if not impossible to do.

What I was told was that I will drill once a month with my Guard unit and attend a 2-week AT each summer for my 4 years of college to which I will be paid. I have been doing this.
When I graduate and get commissioned, I will be obligated to serve 8 years in the Army National Guard.
So, all in all it is a 12 year commitment!
Now, I will be credited with 4 years of service, but my obligation service of 8 years does not start til I have graduated and am commissioned.

I strongly recommend talking to an ROTC Officer at your college.
Good luck!
 
If your intent is to be active duty upon graduation, I highly recommend you talk to the ROTC Officer at the college you plan on attending. They are highly motivated to help you find your fit and will lead you to people who can make your desire for active duty after graduation happen. This is where I started, at the ROTC office at my college. Do not sign anything til you are confident on ALL your obligations.

Thought I would share my short journey-

I was awarded the 3-year GRFD/Minuteman Scholarship and just completed my freshman year at college in the ROTC program and could not be happier with my decision. It was a long process with lots of paperwork, physicals, exams, and interviews.
My scholarship funds start this fall and will NOT cover 100% of my tuition. It will cover my tuition or my room and board, but not both. I also will be given a monthly stipend and yearly book allowance. I have already started getting monthly pay from my Guard drills that I do. I do have institutional scholarships so with those and my Guard scholarship combined, my college will be covered the next 3 years.

First, I went to my ROTC Officer at my college the summer before my freshman year. After talking with them, they told me of scholarships that were available. One was through the Army National Guard. This was something that interested me so I went and meet with the recruiters that my ROTC Officer sent me to.
I was made very clear about my obligation BEFORE I even applied for the scholarship by the Guard recruiters. Matter-of-fact, they repeated things several times to make sure I fully understood my obligation. It was also made clear to me that switching to active duty after college will not happen til my obligation to the Guard is completed. Again they were very clear with this with me. They said in the past there had been cadets who decided they wanted active duty so now they make that a very difficult if not impossible to do.

What I was told was that I will drill once a month with my Guard unit and attend a 2-week AT each summer for my 4 years of college to which I will be paid. I have been doing this.
When I graduate and get commissioned, I will be obligated to serve 8 years in the Army National Guard.
So, all in all it is a 12 year commitment!
Now, I will be credited with 4 years of service, but my obligation service of 8 years does not start til I have graduated and am commissioned.

I strongly recommend talking to an ROTC Officer at your college.
Good luck!
Thanks for sharing your story. After read your story I have a very clear mind for what to do next, I will talk with the ROTC officer and comeup with a plan.
 
Thank you. I search at online, thinks in my case will be SMP. So with the SMP is it also very difficult to transfer to active duty?
Yes, since it's Guard or reserve money that pays.
 
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