slate winners time frame

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  1. hsanc

    hsanc New Member

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    I am a new member to the forum, and I was just wondering if there is a time frame that MOC slate winners get their offers of appointment. What I mean is, are all slate winners offered appointments first and the national pool gets looked at after those are finished? I know I don't have a good shot in the national pool, so I wonder if I can infer that if I wasn't offered an appointment by March, I didn't win my slate.
     
  2. jl123

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    Unless you are a Principal Nominee you will probably never know if you won the slate. The process of charging appointments is complicated, so the short answer is that appointments to slate winners do not necessarily go out first. A better way to think about it is that, in general, the more highly qualified a candidate is, the sooner that candidate will receive an appointment - after the file is complete and found to be fully qualified.
     
  3. NavyHoops

    NavyHoops Super Moderator 5-Year Member

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    USNA commits to notifying candidates by April 15th. The next 6 weeks have traditionally been very busy weeks for appointments in the past. I would say there will be many appointments handed out over these next few weeks and most will know by then. There will be some who won’t hear until April 15th as they finalize things.
     
  4. helmsdown

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    I don't really get the whole "slate winner" thing. Our MOC submitted 10 and about 5 or 6 got appointments and accepted. She did not select a principal. So maybe someone won the slate from this group but others still received appointments.
     
  5. eric001

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    How do you know if you are a slate winner? I have received nominations from the President, US Senator, and most recently MOC, but none said that I was the slate winner...
     
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    Old Navy BGO 5-Year Member

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    There are alot of factors. First, every MOC can have up to 5 in the Academy at anytime, so maybe he/she has extra openings. Further, some of those Appointments may not be charged against the MOC. For example, frequently the Congressman and Senators nominate the same persons ..so you may never know which MOC they are charged against. Finally, there or other Nomination sources...Presidential, VP, SecNav etc.

    In other words, even if you see other candidates getting in from your area, your still in the game until you get a TWE.
     
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    NavyHoops Super Moderator 5-Year Member

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    You won’t know if you are slate winner. You won’t even know who your nomination is charged to if appointed until later on. Even then someone has to dig to figure it out. In highly competitive areas I have seen 8-9 candidates get appointments. It can be as a simple as a MOC has multiple openings that year, maybe 1 or 2 is those got charged to a Senator, maybe a few of those also had presidential noms and maybe a few were from the NWL and charged to Sec Nav.
     
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  8. jl123

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    The only thing certain is that if the top candidate (by academy calculations) on a slate is qualified, they will receive an appointment. Whether or not they will be charged to that MOC is a different story.

    The appointee that is charged to the MOC, the "slate winner", may not be the top candidate of the ten nominations on the slate. SA's juggle nominations to get the best overall class they can. The top candidate may have also been the top candidate of another slate or may be allocated to another nominating source during the juggling act.

    There is nothing to be gained by trying to figure it out beyond knowing whether or not one is a Principal Nominee. :bang:
     
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  9. MidwestDad

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    To clarify - MOCs can submit ranked slates in which their opinion of #1-10 candidates is reflected. The SA has no obligation to follow that order when offering appointments.

    Every MOC can also nominate a PRINCIPAL nominee whom the SA is obligated to appoint if otherwise qualified. Not all do but some MOCs like to wield this influence.

    So - unless you are a PRINCIPAL nominee 'winning the slate' is not a guarantee.
     
  10. jl123

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    Since this is a USNA thread - USNA is not required to appoint a qualified Principal Nominee, although they almost always do. USMA & USAFA are required to appoint a qualified Principal Nominee.

    In a ranked slate number 1 is the Principal. Numbers 2 - 10 become the Principal Nominee as each candidate above them is found unqualified. Once a Principal is qualified and offered an appointment, the ranking is no longer followed since those candidates then compete nationally.
     
  11. MidwestDad

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    All the SAs would love to eliminate the 'Principal' nomination protocol but Congress rarely, if ever, surrenders any power perks.
     
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    usna1985 10-Year Member

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    MOCs can use any one of three nomination processes:

    1) Principal and ranked alternates
    2) Principal and competitive alternates
    3) Competitive slate

    It is correct that USNA is not required to appoint the principal nominee or follow the rank order if method (1) is used. However, it's not a wise move to thwart the will of Congress, so typically USNA will go with the principal and, if appropriate, the ranked alternates in the order the MOC submits.
     
  13. serviceaboveAll

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    So I have read countless threads on this and most of it I get. My question is: if SA ranks the candidates using their WCS and #1 is DQ’d by DoDMERB but the SA has said they are reviewing possible waiver- does that mean the decision is put on hold until waiver review is determined for candidate #1 or do the move onto #2. #1 might the be put on NWL is waiver granted? If they do put process on hold to review, does that help the candidate waiting for waiver ( maybe speeds up review)? Just curious if they pass over #1 immediately. Ty!
     
  14. jl123

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    Yes, they will wait on waiver decision for #1 but not indefinitely. At some point they will have to move on.

    Waiver decisions move at their own speed. At USMA doctors that make waiver decisions do this in addition to their other duties. Presumably USNA is same. That is a very important reason why applicants should get everything done as soon as possible. Doctors aren't going to jump through hoops because a candidate procrastinated.