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Zaphod said:
Don't you just love the people the Left chooses as examples of their virtues? :yllol:
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Lets put some perspective on this whole topic:

Q. What parent here would allow Barney Frank to watch their 11 year old son for a weekend or overnight babysit? ...and he's the virtuous one telling us what's right or wrong. lol

Yes, the PBS story out of Boston is the source for honest discussion of Tail Hook lol Not biased in the least lol :yllol:
 
Just for you JAM, apparently CNN was listening...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/16/military.sexual.assaults/index.html?hpt=T2


Interesting part of the article?



"Research in the civilian community shows that sexual assault is widely underreported, and we believe that is the same in the military," said Kaye Whitley, director of the Defense Department's sexual abuse prevention and response office.



Must be everyone's boss....they must all be worried about losing their jobs... :rolleyes:

So that is what the Pentagon would say. When you read the article you will also find....

"and it is widely believed in the military that victims of sexual assault may be denied promotion for reporting such crimes."

Remember, that's what CNN is saying, that's NOT from the Pentagon. And we all know, if CNN says it, that doesn't make it true.

Also something you might find interesting....



"According to the new report, the Department of Defense had two sexual assaults per 1,000 service members in fiscal year 2009. The Army reported 2.6 per 1,000 soldiers; the Navy reported 1.6 per 1,000; the Air Force reported 1.4 per 1,000; and the Marine Corps had 1.3 per 1,000."
 
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Maximus said:
Lets put some perspective on this whole topic:

Q. What parent here would allow Barney Frank to watch their 11 year old son for a weekend or overnight babysit? ...and he's the virtuous one telling us what's right or wrong. lol

Yes, the PBS story out of Boston is the source for honest discussion of Tail Hook lol Not biased in the least lol :yllol:
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The same people who let their kids sleep over with Michael Jackson. :rolleyes:
 
Yes, the PBS story out of Boston is the source for honest discussion of Tail Hook lol Not biased in the least lol :yllol:
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I know, I know - I said I was done. But this is what I'm talking about. Apparently you can't handle the truth and did not click on the link.
The source was:
Documentation is from the Department of Defense Inspector General report, February 1993


LITS - Honestly, I don't know what or with whom you are arguing.
Essentially same report is up on Army Times, read all the way through it carefully:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/03/military_sexassaults_report_031610w/

Whitley also was pleased to see a rise in the number of confidential “restricted” reports. Instituted in 2005, this form allows victims to get medical care without triggering an investigation by the chain of command. These are typically made by victims who may not have made a report had the restricted reporting option not been available, Whitley said.
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Why do you think the military made the option of restricted reports available?
Why are victims of sexual harrassment reluctant to inform their CoC?
 
Why do you think the military made the option of restricted reports available?
Why are victims of sexual harrassment reluctant to inform their CoC?
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First, notice in that it states to get medical care, this implies an assault. Do you not believe it was placed there for the victim if she wanted to keep it private and not tell her Commander. It does not mean that her commander was the attacker. It allows the victim privacy. Military bases are like college campuses, gossip flies through it very quickly, typically within hours.

If a military member shows up at a hospital, the commander is usually notified, and 95% will be there while you are still in the ER. Rape is not something a woman feels comfortable talking to their spouse about let alone their boss.

Secondly, many victims of sexual harassment are reluctant to inform their CoC because of personal reasons, and not just that they think it is a career ender. Some choose to keep it quiet because they believe they can handle the situation...an attitude, I disagree with vehemently, but still an attitude that exists.

As I stated earlier some people do not report harassment because they are unsure if they were really harassed or if they added into the equation. Here's an example: D.O. is in the squadron Hooch and joking around, a comment is made about his sex life by her and he jokingly says you know you want to be with me. He later says anytime you want it my number is on the recall roster. Was she harassed?
 
JAM, I would recommend you read it one or two more times...

CNN and Army Times generally have the same article, and same credibility.
 
LITS - just what are you arguing?

If anyone cares here is the report from the Pentagon website:
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=58341

The article doesn't speculate as to the reasons why victims don't report sexual harrassment/rape but clearly a number of victims do not.
If you are nitpicking my position go back and read it again.
I said "It might have ended his career". I never said that is the ONLY reason victims are reluctant to report, but from other sources I have posted this is one reason.

I don't understand your case at all - I think you will go out of your way just to find a way to disagree or discredit anything I say.
I am going to crawl under my "anti-male-military" rock. You guys can keep spouting off your vitriol to yourselves.

BTW - Maximus, I would not allow YOU to babysit my 11 year old, for an hour much less overnight.
 
I think we are now getting at a level where we might consider locking this thread.

People have definite views, but it seems to be getting very personal.

JAM, I want to state I do not think you are anti-male, I just believe you are strongly pro-female. I understand that as a Mom, a wife, and a WOMAN.

That being said there is never a reason to say/write what you just did regarding Max, unless you put :shake: right after it. Unfortunately sites like this are one dimensional and nobody can tell if that was meant to be funny/sarcastic or truthfully. We all need to remember what we post maybe misconstrued from the original intention.
 
Let me try to say this very slowly and with very short, easy to understand words for you:

You said:

"To report him might have ended ones career."

I told you that you are watching too many movies and that I know males who have reported male-on-male assaults, they were not worried about losing their jobs, the biggest thing to get over was people knowing what happened to them.

I also responded with:

"No, I'm saying it's not good to assume someone coming forward because they were assaulted his have their career ended. That's probably not the best statement to make on a board for people who want to be in the military.

That is unless you meant something else by... "Massa always went after subordinates. To report him might have ended ones career. "


To which you responded with:

"You may not agree with it but the Pentagon agrees."

But in that response you offered NO proof, no Pentagon quotes, just a number, 80% of unreported assaults, without the "why it happens" piece the discussion had evolved into.

You then tried to back peddle, and restated your position in another, safer way:

"If you report someone in your work place and there is a "social stigma" then - that can and does damage careers - enough for them to "end" prematurely."


Point? You don't know. And as a side comment, Army Times and Navy Times don't work for the Army or Navy, in fact often they butt heads.
 
Army Times and Navy Times don't work for the Army or Navy, in fact often they butt heads
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You made me laugh on that one, because yrs ago the female involved with SCOOTERGATE, was the DD of the EIC at Gannet. Why is that important? Because Gannet owns those papers. He felt his DD was being railroaded in the AF and used the AF Times as his mouth piece. The articles regarding this incident were very positive in the portrayal of her, and negative regarding the AF. HMMM, you think they might have been biased?

OBTW, we lived through scootergate at Elmendorf.

Also if the name Gannet rings a bell to you, but you can't place why, maybe this helps...USA TODAY
 
Just_A_Mom said:
If anyone cares here is the report from the Pentagon website:
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=58341

The article doesn't speculate as to the reasons why victims don't report sexual harrassment/rape but clearly a number of victims do not.
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That's right, it doesn't speculate....Times and CNN might, but the AFPS does not. Also, assuming you read, you also saw....

“Research in the civilian community shows that sexual assault is widely underreported, and we believe that is the same in the military,”

Hmmmm....all those civilians must also worry about "not being promoted" or "ending their careers".
 
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