So who watched the story on 60 Minutes about the Navy's readiness tonight?

Gnarlygoat27

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Very interesting report... had a feel of appealing to the American people, we better start paying attention and investing faster. This is standard dinner conversation when my whole family gets together but a lot of what they included in the story will affect current midshipmen from all commissioning sources. Thoughts?
 
The lack of shipbuilding infrastructure was alarning. Makes sense how it happened, but no clue how to recover without a ton of money.
 
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Although the 2nd part wasn’t on….I’m guessing due to basketball? I’ll check it out on demand tomorrow.

Thoughts, are ‘already know this stuff….wake up’ around our house. And, yes, this is the world my two boys will deal with intimately. And soon.

Seeing it makes it real to Mom 🥹🥹🥹
 
No new news to me but I'm glad they covered it because I'm sure it's news to a great many people. America HAS to rebuild it's industrial might if it ever hopes to win a Great Power contest. There's a reason so many countries are coming under the influence of China. The world is not blind to this.
 
Maybe if we would stop buying their products and products from American companies that go there for the cheap labor, they would not have the money to build their war-machine. Our greed is our own worst enemy.
Maybe we should be less obsessed with paying as little in the way of taxes as we can and just pay for the needed improvements with taxes.

Our lack of willingness to serve , as a nation , and our unwillingness to pay for others to do what most in the country will not, is our own worst enemy.

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Maybe we should be less obsessed with paying as little in the way of taxes as we can and just pay for the needed improvements with taxes.

Our lack of willingness to serve , as a nation , and our unwillingness to pay for others to do what most in the country will not, is our own worst enemy.

cheap roger eve mort foxtrots
IMO this is crazy talk...I'm paying high taxes and don't want to pay more tax to a government that isn't efficient with the current GDP and foot the bill that should be paid for by the industrial engine. The government can't squeeze industry much more or they leave. The real issue in this country is inflation. Inflated wages make it very hard for an American company to compete with foreign manufacturing and raise to he cost of everything we buy. We have tuned into a nation of consumers and not producers for that reason. Our trade agreements are still not favorable, I don't know to fix it but it's not taxes and young people are not lining up to do blue collar factory work. We have become spoiled, sensitive and soft and lazy.
 
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IMO this is crazy talk...I'm paying high taxes and don't want to pay more tax to a government that isn't efficient with the current GDP and foot the bill that should be paid for by the industrial engine. The government can't squeeze industry much more or they leave. The real issue in this country is inflation. Inflated wages make it very hard for an American company to compete with foreign manufacturing and raise to he cost of everything we buy. We have tuned into a nation of consumers and not producers for that reason. Our trade agreements are still not favorable, I don't know to fix it but it's not taxes and young people are not lining up to do blue collar factory work. We have become spoiled, sensitive and soft and lazy.
Agree with the taxes. My taxes between Federal, State, and personal property are high enough.
Businesses and taxpayers are not an ATM. In this country we don't have a revenue problem we have a spending problem.

We (govt) (we the people) spend like drunken sailors. I was a drunken sailor once in a previous life. Vanish whole paychecks in one night.

Folks see specials like this and it captures their attention and then within 30 minutes probably forget again.
 
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Although the 2nd part wasn’t on….I’m guessing due to basketball? I’ll check it out on demand tomorrow.

Thoughts, are ‘already know this stuff….wake up’ around our house. And, yes, this is the world my two boys will deal with intimately. And soon.

Seeing it makes it real to Mom 🥹🥹🥹
The part about reports that China would gain the full capability to invade Taiwan by 2027 makes it real for this year's class of 2027 and all recent years of midshipmen!!
 
IMO this is crazy talk...I'm paying high taxes and don't want to pay more tax to a government that isn't efficient with the current GDP and foot the bill that should be paid for by the industrial engine. The government can't squeeze industry much more or they leave. The real issue in this country is inflation. Inflated wages make it very hard for an American company to compete with foreign manufacturing and raise to he cost of everything we buy. We have tuned into a nation of consumers and not producers for that reason. Our trade agreements are still not favorable, I don't know to fix it but it's not taxes and young people are not lining up to do blue collar factory work. We have become spoiled, sensitive and soft and lazy.
I heard it said (paraphrasing) that difficult times make strong men and women; easy, prosperous times make weak men and women. True I think of this country. For my part-eliminating consumption born of habit (ie does every corporate event need a goody bag with cheap Chinese made junk that no one really wants?)-and go with need based consumption. I don’t have the answers either-but people do what they have to do and if they don’t have to do things -they’ll lose that capacity random thoughts here.
 
Maybe we should be less obsessed with paying as little in the way of taxes as we can and just pay for the needed improvements with taxes.

Our lack of willingness to serve , as a nation , and our unwillingness to pay for others to do what most in the country will not, is our own worst enemy.
cheap roger eve mort foxtrots
LOL. 57% of households have no federal tax liability, maybe we need to spread that love around a little bit and get some more participation in our Republic. I am paying enough already. FY 23 tax receipts are estimated to hit $4.7T and the Feds can’t even remotely make that work towards a balanced budget…it might help if DC could manage money a little better.
 
LOL. 57% of households have no federal tax liability, maybe we need to spread that love around a little bit and get some more participation in our Republic. I am paying enough already. FY 23 tax receipts are estimated to hit $4.7T and the Feds can’t even remotely make that work towards a balanced budget…it might help if DC could manage money a little better.
We need to audit where the money is going - military and fed reserve included.
 
LOL. 57% of households have no federal tax liability, maybe we need to spread that love around a little bit and get some more participation in our Republic. I am paying enough already. FY 23 tax receipts are estimated to hit $4.7T and the Feds can’t even remotely make that work towards a balanced budget…it might help if DC could manage money a little better.
Yes there are always excuses.
 
Feel free to send more money to the US Treasury if you like. I paid just north of $80k in Federal Tax in 2021, so thinking I have done my fair share. Do you have a tax obligation, or are you just keen to spend other people’s money?
I have a tax obligation. But many who make a lot more than I do pay less than their fair share. If we want a robust military, we need revenue from somwhere. Tax the rich and the corporations. Leave the middle class alone.
 
I have a tax obligation. But many who make a lot more than I do pay less than their fair share. If we want a robust military, we need revenue from somwhere. Tax the rich and the corporations. Leave the middle class alone.
If only it were that simple. The US already taxes corporations at among the highest rates in the world. When corporations are taxed, too high, they tend to be less competitive, fail outright or move to a more economical environment. The rich look like a great target but they're already paying the majority of the tax bill already. The media and other advocates do muddy the waters by pointing toward the lower taxes on so-called "passive income" such as dividend but remember that the dividend was ALREADY taxed when it was corporate income so it is double taxation on the same money.
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That said, while I'd love to say "just spend more carefully" and "eliminate waste" type of things, the mismatch between current receipts (taxes) and the budget is just too large for that to be viable and remember, many corners (such as defense) are UNDERFUNDED/STARVED even with the budget that we have now. An example of this is the Navy Surface Fleet - if you DOUBLED the spending on new ships, you might (MIGHT) catch up with the fleet size that is considered to be the minimum acceptable and even that would take increases in maintenance and doesn't address the falling apart barracks and facilities which have long been sacrificed to keep ships at sea. That is a microcosm of the rest of DoD.
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Simply, our appetite is much larger than our means so more money is needed. I truly believe if we try to do it by just cutting back then the ramifications will be much more severe than just about anyone can see.
 
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