Something to think about

[scoutpilot]

Don't make them do that...cadre won't. The 7 chew rule has not been in effect for a while.

Weak!

 

[SamAca10]

Weak!

Oh really?

While I don't know about protein bars, the good news for the small types is that food deprivation is no longer permitted. When I was cadre in 2002 the rules were changed and we had to allow new cadets to eat after Attention to Orders, regardless of how poorly they'd performed. One of my friends and fellow squad leaders did not heed the regulation, and was relieved and received a military F for the summer.

That was a positive change. Food deprivation did nothing but cost me 27 pounds and prove to me that I really liked food.

...from a USMA post....

 

[BeatNavy]

Uhh I really fail to see the in that post at all. There is a difference between limiting chews and making your NCs skip a meal

 

[SamAca10]

Uhh I really fail to see the in that post at all. There is a difference between limiting chews and making your NCs skip a meal

Limiting chews restricts the amount of food that you can eat in the time alloted, so cadets would lose weight this way.

 

[packermatt7]

From what I heard, the chew rule as well as standing up every time spoken to dramatically effected how much food the basics got, so they decided they should change it.

Besides, it's Basic training, not survival training.

 

[Mongo]

2. Make them sit at the dinner table 7" out and chew 7 bites before swallowing, that includes not looking down at the table and pouring milk without looking down. After a couple of days he was fun to watch at dinner....1,2,3,4,5,6,7 swallow...

Don't make them do that...cadre won't. The 7 chew rule has not been in effect for a while.

Agreed. Anyone who has ever been through any of the academies knows that any one thing in itself is no big deal. It is a combination of everything combined for 24 hrs per day/ 7 days per week/ for how many ever weeks it lasts now, that gets one down.

 

[Just_A_Mom]

How many HYP (Harv, Yale, Princeton) students could make it into AFA, West Point, or Annapolis? Not very many is my guess, primarily because they simply couldn't handle the athletics, the total competitive nature of a service academy.

Actually - many of them would not only get an appointment but would get LOA's. those who would not get an appointment would not likely because of dodmerb issues. A diabetic won't get into West Point but could attend Harvard.
The Ivy's value athletics also. It is not a requirement but Havard and MIT have more athletic programs available than the service academies. It's all about the mind and the body.

Harvard Athletics:

The Harvard Department of Athletics is committed to providing "Athletics for All Students." Competitive and recreational athletics are an integral part of the educational process and experience. Students should have opportunities to participate and compete as appropriate to their interest and skills.
Harvard values the lessons that have long been taught by athletic participation: the pursuit of excellence through personal development and teamwork; ethical and responsible behavior on the field and off; adherence to the spirit of rules as well as to their letter; leadership and strength of character; and sportsmanship -- including respect for one's opponents, acceptance of victory with humility, acknowledgment of defeat with grace, and respect for the value of cross-cultural understanding and acceptance. In teaching these lessons to its students, Harvard instills habits that will lead students to better and healthier lives. While winning is not an end in itself, we believe that the efforts by our intercollegiate teams to be their best will lead them to succeed. Athletic participation is a way for students to grow and learn and enjoy themselves and to use and develop their personal, physical and intellectual skills. The entire Department, including coaches, medical and training staff, facilities and equipment personnel, and administrators, works to achieve these goals, honors the values of the College, and supports the principles of the Ivy League and the NCAA.

Those values are the same for the service academies.

 

[Christcorp]

Agreed. Anyone who has ever been through any of the academies knows that any one thing in itself is no big deal. It is a combination of everything combined for 24 hrs per day/ 7 days per week/ for how many ever weeks it lasts now, that gets one down.

Not saying good or bad, but there's a similar thread about how Westpoint has supposedly changed a lot too. My thought is: While change and modernization can definitely be good, no one ever died from these old traditions/methods. So, you didn't get to sit and eat your entire meal; maybe you had to eat it all in 10 minutes or less; what's the harm? But it's a moot point. It is the way it is. Maybe it's a "kinder and gentler" military. Point is, I don't remember anyone dieing or becoming malnourished and extremely sick because they didn't get to eat their entire plate of food. It taught you to adapt. Oh well, just curious if anyone knew of anyone dieing or becoming extremely ill during basic, because they didn't get to eat their entire meal.

 

[Mongo]

^^^^My point was simply agreeing with raimus not to require this at home for prospective candidates. The thread had taken a nutrition turn but my point is that it is the sum total of everything that makes plebe summer challenging and that the individual items by themselves are really not often that difficult. And in this case, it is like "whack a mole". Something else will be introduced or highlighted to a greater extent to replace the frustration of not being able to relax and eat properly.

 

[Seamonkeydo]

Nice wildfire you started Mike

 

[SamAca10]

Actually - many of them would not only get an appointment but would get LOA's. those who would not get an appointment would not likely because of dodmerb issues. A diabetic won't get into West Point but could attend Harvard.
The Ivy's value athletics also. It is not a requirement but Havard and MIT have more athletic programs available than the service academies. It's all about the mind and the body.

JAM, fencermother:

It's rather pointless and impossible to compare the two. This is just pure speculation and there's no way to prove if SA cadets would get into the HYP or vice-versa. As Scoutpilot pointed out earlier, it takes different types to go to different schools.

And it's not just about getting in, it's about GRADUATING. I'm sure lots of people can say that they've been accepted into an SA, but they didn't go or they dropped out or the got kicked out.

Looking on West Point's website, they have 47 athletic programs.

Harvard has 39 athletic programs.

It's like comparing apples to oranges. There are also a lot of posts on College Discussion dedicated to this.

 

[acesmom]

Amen Fencermother, amen! to your post suggesting we ask Ivy league students to do all that SA kids do. AMEN! Our service academy young men and women are the future of this nation and I salute them!

 

[scoutpilot]

Amen Fencermother, amen! to your post suggesting we ask Ivy league students to do all that SA kids do. AMEN! Our service academy young men and women are the future of this nation and I salute them!

They're all part of our nation's future.